Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I'll watch them. I just won't root for them because they are ex-Tigers. (I will root for Boyd because he is a Cub, which is my #2 team

Mine too. The fans seem to have SO much fun. My son took me to a Cubs game last year. And yeah, it was a blast.

[chasfh]

11 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Mine too. The fans seem to have SO much fun. My son took me to a Cubs game last year. And yeah, it was a blast.

Let me know when you're back in town for another game, I can meet up with you there.

[buddha]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

will you root for michigan players who go through the transfer portal to ohio state?

that's no longer a michigan player.  you have forfeited your citizenship.

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

that's no longer a michigan player.  you have forfeited your citizenship.

and tigers traded from the tigers are no longer tigers unless/until they return to the tigers.

[buddha]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

and tigers traded from the tigers are no longer tigers unless/until they return to the tigers.

tigers traded by the tigers dont make the choice to leave.

i dont know why youre arguing with me about how i feel about players who used to play for the teams i follow.  its not a logic problem, its who i have emotional ties to.  

[Edman85]

(wrong thread)

Edited February 11 by Edman85

[oblong]

3 hours ago, buddha said:

tigers traded by the tigers dont make the choice to leave.

i dont know why youre arguing with me about how i feel about players who used to play for the teams i follow.  its not a logic problem, its who i have emotional ties to.  

Logic has no place in sports. I mean…. If you told me in 1998 about Chris Chelios?  

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, buddha said:

tigers traded by the tigers dont make the choice to leave.

i dont know why youre arguing with me about how i feel about players who used to play for the teams i follow.  its not a logic problem, its who i have emotional ties to.  

I wasn’t trying to tell you you’re wrong for your feelings, and I apologize for it coming off that way. I was trying to draw a parallel between situations in which players end up on teams that are trying to make your team lose.

Edited February 11 by chasfh

[RedRamage]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

I wasn’t trying to tell you you’re wrong for your feelings, and I apologize for it coming off that way. I was trying to draw a parallel between situations in which players end up on teams that are trying to make your team lose.

FWIW, I think most people who are fans of players who leave the team they root for usually say something to the effect of: "I wish him/her well, at least when he/she isn't playing against my team." 

Obviously it's not quite that simple because even if the Astros and Verlander only had success when they weren't playing against the Tigers, them winning still made it harder for the Tigers to get to the playoffs, but the sentiment seems to be: "Hey, I like this guy and I'm sorry to see him go. I hope he has success -- as long as that success doesn't hurt my team." In the end team fandom trumps player fandom.

[Motor City Sonics]

Tigers will announce it today - just before Skubal takes the mound in his Spring Training debut that the Tigers and Skubal have agreed on a 7 year $330 million contract.     

 

 

 

[IdahoBert]

32 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Tigers will announce it today - just before Skubal takes the mound in his Spring Training debut that the Tigers and Skubal have agreed on a 7 year $330 million contract.     

🥰

[papalawrence]

On 2/23/2026 at 10:16 AM, Motor City Sonics said:

Tigers will announce it today - just before Skubal takes the mound in his Spring Training debut that the Tigers and Skubal have agreed on a 7 year $330 million contract.     

 

 

 

April fools is still 35 days away........

[tiger2022]

Why would he settle for that when he can go to a team that will pay him more and put a much better lineup behind him?

[chasfh]

I would guess that the sticking point with the front office to locking down Skubal will be the years, not the dollars.

[RedRamage]

So... what's everyone's thoughts on Skubal and a trade before the deadline?

1. The Tigers still had a legit shot of resigning Skubal and it would be stupid to trade him.
2. While I don't think the Tigers will resign Skubal, the season is still young. The Tigers may bounce back and we should hold onto Skubal to help with that playoff run.
3. Time to pull the plug on this year. The Tigers aren't doing anything and even if Skubal comes back to Cy Young caliber pitching tomorrow they're still not doing anything. Trade him for as much talent as you can get.

Now OBVIOUSLY we're not even close to the trade deadline right now so there's plenty of time yet... and I'm not even sure if you can trade a player on the IL if we were near the deadline. So, there's time to see what might happen between now and then. But, where are you sitting right now? What camp are you in? 1, 2 or 3?

[NorthWoods]

1 hour ago, RedRamage said:

So... what's everyone's thoughts on Skubal and a trade before the deadline?

1. The Tigers still had a legit shot of resigning Skubal and it would be stupid to trade him.
2. While I don't think the Tigers will resign Skubal, the season is still young. The Tigers may bounce back and we should hold onto Skubal to help with that playoff run.
3. Time to pull the plug on this year. The Tigers aren't doing anything and even if Skubal comes back to Cy Young caliber pitching tomorrow they're still not doing anything. Trade him for as much talent as you can get.

Now OBVIOUSLY we're not even close to the trade deadline right now so there's plenty of time yet... and I'm not even sure if you can trade a player on the IL if we were near the deadline. So, there's time to see what might happen between now and then. But, where are you sitting right now? What camp are you in? 1, 2 or 3?

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[tiger2022]

Skubal was never going to sign with Detroit.  

They are 11 games under .500.  They still have 111 games left.  They have 20 wins and will need a minimum of 86 games to be a playoff contender.  They need to go 66-45 the rest of the season to reach the minimum number of wins.  That's .594 baseball, which is about a 97 win season over 162 games.  And that is to get to the minimum number of wins.

They are in a lot of trouble but they have to stick with their guys until July at least

Then Skubal, Mize, Flaherty and their entire bullpen will be up for grabs.  Finnegan definitely will have some value.  

Edited 20 hours ago by tiger2022

[monkeytargets39]

Gotta be honest- I think regardless we need to look at dealing Skubal, Mize, Jansen, Torres and possibly Vest and Carpenter at the deadline.  At least make them all available and see what we can get.

Theres a AAA 1B prospect in the Brewers system that doesn’t hit for much average but has a ridiculous walk rate and a .420 career OBP and a low K rate.  Brewers have two of the top 10 first base prospects plus two guys already raking in the bigs—and they’ll probably want pitching help.

Diamondbacks could be buyers at the deadline.  Their #10 prospect is a AAA 3B/INF that has a career .300 average with a .389 OBP.  Walks as much as he Ks…just not a lot of power but projects solid defensively.  D-Backs could use starting pitching help and DH help.  Could try and ship Carpenter to them and or a pitcher.  Dbacks also have a LH starter at AAA that has great K:BB rates and low BAA.  Apparently lower end on velocity but very good control.

The Mariners are gonna want to make another run at it and I feel like they’re the team that we could fleece the most in a Skubal trade just because they’re super hungry for a WS berth and Skubal is from that area.  I’d target Kade Anderson the pitcher and/or Michael Arroyo (2B/OF) as returns there that really fit the billing for strike zone dominance.

 

Jonathan Long is a 1B from the Cubs that could be a good pickup too.

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Gotta be honest- I think regardless we need to look at dealing Skubal, Mize, Jansen, Torres and possibly Vest and Carpenter at the deadline.  At least make them all available and see what we can get.

I know a high percentage of people here are on board right now with selling Skubal, some of them believing so irrespective of how we do going forward. I have been opposed to this, and as a separate idea, I don’t think Harris and ilitch are going to sell, mainly because I don’t think that by the time late July rolls around, our record and prospects will be so bad that we will be forced in a sell-or-else situation. I think we’d have to have a W-L that’s far lower than it is even today, and playing in the most winnable division after having gotten most of the guys on the list back, we simply won’t be both this bad and this unlucky.

That said, i would be open to selling if we do find ourselves in a situation that we don’t recover and we are something like .350 on the season on July whatever-teenth. The question becomes, who do you sell, and what do you hope to get back for them? You named six guys, and five of them were hurt this year (three on the list right now), and the sixth guy is in his late 60s. When I contemplate the possible return, the word “haul” does not show up anywhere in the results.

If we want any possibility of a “haul” we would have to probably sell Riley high, plus Tork and Colt for potential and controllability, at minimum. Skubal, of course, but he will not return what everyone hopes, especially if he doesn’t come back Cy Young hard for at least a month. I don’t see how anyone else gets us anything else besides lottery tickets and throw-ins.

[tiger2022]

The market isn't usually great for teams selling off mlb talent at the deadline.  

King, Lugo, Alcantara, Rogers, Perez, Cameron, Sweeney, and maybe somebody like Nick Maton.

But Mize, Skubal, Torres, Flaherty...the return would be pennies on the dollars.

[NorthWoods]

21 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

The market isn't usually great for teams selling off mlb talent at the deadline.  

King, Lugo, Alcantara, Rogers, Perez, Cameron, Sweeney, and maybe somebody like Nick Maton.

But Mize, Skubal, Torres, Flaherty...the return would be pennies on the dollars.

While I understand the cherry picking of failed prospects to make your point there have also been VERY good players traded at the deadline.   As always with baseball prospects it's a roll of the dice.

[tiger2022]

2 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

While I understand the cherry picking of failed prospects to make your point there have also been VERY good players traded at the deadline.   As always with baseball prospects it's a roll of the dice.

Perhaps you can list all these amazing players the Tigers have received when selling off their all star players.  Who am I overlooking out in the cherry orchard?

[NorthWoods]

7 minutes ago, tiger2022 said:

Perhaps you can list all these amazing players the Tigers have received when selling off their all star players.  Who am I overlooking out in the cherry orchard?

Didn't specify the Tigers.     And of course this is a different group of decision makers so it would be Apples and Oranges anyway.  Addressed the talent traded in another thread.

[NorthWoods]

This belongs better in this thread....

2 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

Cleveland did pretty good on a few deals. I dont remember the details but I read an article a few months ago about some of their trades. But yeah, it's pretty rare to get talent back. Who would trade future All Star talent for a couple of months of an All Star pitcher?

The Tigers?

Adames.   Smoltz.  

And..............

Hanly Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Carlos Baerga, Joe Carter, Adam Wainwright, Michael Brantley, Jay Buhner, Corey Kluber, Jeff Bagwell, Jason Varitek, derek Lowe, Curt Schilling, Moises Alou, David Ortiz

Were all traded mid season as prospects...and I know I'm missing many as well as lesser but yet successful players.    The Tigers dismal track record doesn't mean everyone fails.

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, NorthWoods said:

This belongs better in this thread....

The Tigers?

Adames.   Smoltz.  

And..............

Hanly Ramirez, Anibal Sanchez, Cliff Lee, Grady Sizemore, Carlos Baerga, Joe Carter, Adam Wainwright, Michael Brantley, Jay Buhner, Corey Kluber, Jeff Bagwell, Jason Varitek, derek Lowe, Curt Schilling, Moises Alou, David Ortiz

Were all traded mid season as prospects...and I know I'm missing many as well as lesser but yet successful players.    The Tigers dismal track record doesn't mean everyone fails.

Prospects don't always fail, but a team which is a seller at the deadline is not generally in a good position.  The teams trading prospects know their young players better than anyone and they are likely to offer flawed players.  You can hope that the propect you get pans out, but chances are he won't.