Will Tigers Pony up for Skubal

[4hzglory]

2 minutes ago, Longgone said:

They don't consider "worth". The Tigers are presenting that a 90% salary increase is appropriate based on past history in arbitration. Boras is saying that more than tripling his salary can be justified in this case.

And last year they had settled on the $10 ish million number after he won the cy young, so it's not like he just became a great pitcher.  From Boras/Skubal (his position with the PA) this is all about attempting to raise the ceiling.  It's a bit of a risk, as if he would lose, it would show the strength of the process from the owner's side.  It would have been nice if Boras was willing to negotiate at all.  Then Skubal could have received a record for an arbitration pitcher (the Tigers initial offer would have been that at $19.8) and probably received a record & and percentage of raise.  But they're aiming for higher.

[NorthWoods]

Skubal wins.

[buddha]

3 hours ago, Longgone said:

The current system was fairly negotiated and is based on the premise that teams could limit player costs prior to players earning free agency. If that system is breached, and the Skubal case is an attempt to drastically raise the bar for future arbitration cases, then the system is broken.

the teams still do get to control player costs for the first six years of their major league career, not to mention all the years they are in the minor leagues.  regardless of the outcome of skubal's arb hearing, the tigers will still be paying him less than his market value next season.  the system still works to hold down player salaries, as it was designed to do.

[chasfh]

I re-read this just now, and continue to stand behind every word of it.

 

The key part within contains the reason why we will not trade Tarik Skubal, unless we get a package which makes us better this year, which is impossible, because what team would ever trade away more wins to us to get a single year of Skubal in return?

[Edman85]

Well. They will this year, to answer the thread title.

[buddha]

skubal wins.  good, he deserves the money.

[buddha]

3 hours ago, oblong said:

I think it's fair to assume that having Boras as an agent and being a player rep that we do have some inisght.  He's talked about the business side and having a responsibility.  This arbitration hearing doesn't affect what he'll get as a free agent.  The Tigers offer to him and to Valdez have nothing to do with each other, other than general budgetary reasons.  But they aren't making a statement about what they value or think they are "worth".

 

i think youre making a lot of assumptions based on very little evidence.  the same thing i do when i say it might matter to him.  i have no idea what skubal thinks.

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, Arlington said:

With Mize and Flaherty being FAs next year, trading Skubal for a contributing starter who is under control for a few years, and some solid prospects makes the most sense now.  

Both Mize and Flaherty are subject to a qualifying offers.  If the Tigers are willing to extend them both (-$45M), they will likely accept them because the attached draft pick will likely make them less attractive in free agency. So, there is the potential to keeping most of the ‘26 rotation intact, with Valdez, Reese, Jobe and Melton.

In short, we’re good.

[Shinzaki]

In today's climate..I think 32 million is more fair than 19,..that's for sure

[Sports_Freak]

To be honest, I'm happy Skubal won. A happy Skubal is more important than an deflated Skubal. If he's still here at least. And also...stick it to Chris. 😅

[Hongbit]

Maybe it’s possible that this landscape changing arbitration victory would be enough for Boras & Skubal.  They have more than  done their part looking out for the players in the union and making their future better.

Could they now be more open to the possibility of signing a long term deal and foregoing free agency?   It would still be the largest deal ever for a pitcher.  One can hope.

Edited 58 minutes ago by Hongbit

[RedRamage]

13 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

In today's climate..I think 32 million is more fair than 19,..that's for sure

I tend to agree, though I still think 32 might be high given the way contracts/team control/arbitration is setup... I think the Tigers should have filed for something more in the range of 20-22 personally. 

Ultimately I think I actually like this ruling because I think the financial situation with baseball is broken and needs a serious overhaul... and I think this ruling adds more fuel to the fire. Had the Tigers won it would have been more of the same.

[RatkoVarda]

Skubal's 1st goal was to reset the arbitration market - DONE

Skubal's 2nd goal is to reset the FA market - TBD

(interestingly, Valdez reset the market for AAV for FA LH pitchers with yesterday's deal)

[4hzglory]

7 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

(interestingly, Valdez reset the market for AAV for FA LH pitchers with yesterday's deal)

I'm curious as to what his actual AAV is once the deferrals are revealed.

[chasfh]

25 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

To be honest, I'm happy Skubal won. A happy Skubal is more important than an deflated Skubal. If he's still here at least. And also...stick it to Chris. 😅

Yeah, Chris Ilitch deserves to have it stuck to him for being such a meanie to that nice Al Avila. 😁

[lordstanley]

13 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

Maybe it’s possible that this landscape changing arbitration victory would be enough for Boras & Skubal.  They have more than  done their part looking out for the players in the union and making their future better.

Could they now be more open to the possibility of signing a long term deal and foregoing free agency?   It would still be the largest deal ever for a pitcher.  One can hope.

So if the Tigers have that same theory, maybe the Tigers tanked arbitration on purpose to hand Skubal a win, thus increasing the Tigers’ chances of winning the bigger prize of Skubal on a long term contract? 

[tiger2022]

The cost of the disgusting hot n ready pizzas will be going up.  

[Shinzaki]

I refer to them as gut bombs

The Detroit style isn't bad if you have them make it to order and cook it a bit longer with extra sauce

[Tigermojo]

I'm a little shocked but happy for Skubal. World Series or bust!

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Yeah, Chris Ilitch deserves to have it stuck to him for being such a meanie to that nice Al Avila. 😁

In all seriousness, this Tiger pitching staff, starters and relievers, looks like it may carry us deep into the playoffs. I mean, we have to at least be division favorites, right? Especially if we keep Skubal. Let's Go!!