2025 MLB Trading Deadline

[1984Echoes]

PS: I would definitely offer Mize AND Montero for Joe Ryan. Plus one of Madden/ Melton/ Hamm or whoever else they wanted to add that was not top 5 Tigers prospect or Cris Rodriguez. IMO.

[ICroupier]

2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Some additional thoughts on those guys (I had this in another thread... but it was yesterday's game thread and this post is trade related... specifically thoughts on DeGrom/ Chapman/ Miller...):

 

I think the biggest bang for the buck on the pitching side...

Meaning lowest trade cost but highest impact... is to trade for an older veteran who still has some dominance.

The Rangers are struggling: Jacob DeGrom.

I don't think the Rangers get near what it would cost for Garret Crochet or Joe Ryan. Just a guess. Sale would be costly (in prospect terms)... but what if a team wanted to contend next year after flopping out this year... could we include Mize or Montero for Sale or DeGrom and not spend much in prospect capital? 

Just some thoughts.

And I would prefer a 1-2 punch of Skubal-DeGrom with Olson/ Flaherty at the back-end than Skubal-Mize-Flaherty-Olson... especially in the playoffs. And/or the World Series.

But that's just me.

Same thing on the reliever side. Aroldis Chapman should cost significantly less than Mason Miller in prospect capital.

I would like to get them both however.

Can we send Tyler Mattison (Miller-wannabe-who-will-probably-never-be...) to the A's for Miller? Maybe they could "fix him up" to be a pale replacement for him? Plus additional pieces as necessary?

Just spit-ballin'...

You'd have to give up WAY more than our #25 prospect for Miller, down year or not.

I'd think a Dylan Smith and Max Anderson-type package would be needed. Not saying I'd do it, but that's what it would take.

[TigerNation]

3 hours ago, 1984Echoes said:

Some additional thoughts on those guys (I had this in another thread... but it was yesterday's game thread and this post is trade related... specifically thoughts on DeGrom/ Chapman/ Miller...):

 

I think the biggest bang for the buck on the pitching side...

Meaning lowest trade cost but highest impact... is to trade for an older veteran who still has some dominance.

The Rangers are struggling: Jacob DeGrom.

I don't think the Rangers get near what it would cost for Garret Crochet or Joe Ryan. Just a guess. Sale would be costly (in prospect terms)... but what if a team wanted to contend next year after flopping out this year... could we include Mize or Montero for Sale or DeGrom and not spend much in prospect capital? 

Just some thoughts.

And I would prefer a 1-2 punch of Skubal-DeGrom with Olson/ Flaherty at the back-end than Skubal-Mize-Flaherty-Olson... especially in the playoffs. And/or the World Series.

But that's just me.

Same thing on the reliever side. Aroldis Chapman should cost significantly less than Mason Miller in prospect capital.

I would like to get them both however.

Can we send Tyler Mattison (Miller-wannabe-who-will-probably-never-be...) to the A's for Miller? Maybe they could "fix him up" to be a pale replacement for him? Plus additional pieces as necessary?

Just spit-ballin'...

Miller will require at least two of Clark, McGonigle, Rainer, and Briceno, plus some extra.

[TigerNation]

1 hour ago, ICroupier said:

You'd have to give up WAY more than our #25 prospect for Miller, down year or not.

I'd think a Dylan Smith and Max Anderson-type package would be needed. Not saying I'd do it, but that's what it would take.

That package for Miller? 

Do you guys not realize Miller has a 14+ K/9 and has four more years of control right?

[4hzglory]

If the Rangers picked up $15 mil of Degrom’s next 2 years,(getting him to $30/yr) I’d trade 3 of anyone not in our top 5.  If they pick up $30-35 mil (getting him to $20-23 mil/yr) I’d include 1 of our top 5.  (He also would cost just under $20 mil the rest of this season as this year he’s making $40 mil)

Degrom is the type of starter I’d trade for-a true difference maker (when healthy)

I don’t want to include Mize as that defeats part of the purpose this year and next. 

I don’t see any reason to get a depth starter (if they don’t project to be a dominant reliever) as they are not likely to be much/any better than the 5th -8th options we have.  Give me 2-3 relievers before a depth starter.

[4hzglory]

7 minutes ago, TigerNation said:

That package for Miller? 

Do you guys not realize Miller has a 14+ K/9 and has four more years of control right?

Exactly.  I don’t know about 2 of our top 5, but you’d likely have to include at least 1 of them plus 2 of the next 5 for Miller

[CaliforniaDreaming]

I wonder if the Tigers go big on getting a SPer at the deadline (I don't know what top quality starter might be available) with the obvious hope of winning the WS this year, but also to give them the option of a replacement for Skubal (of course, anyone would be a step down) so that they feel free to trade him a year before he becomes a free agent. That way they can possibly get a better package for him.

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, 4hzglory said:

... 

1) DeGrom is the type of starter I’d trade for-a true difference maker (when healthy)

2) I don’t want to include Mize as that defeats part of the purpose this year and next. 

3) I don’t see any reason to get a depth starter...

Exactly on DeGrom. Sale also fits that description (to an obviously lesser degree); and is at half DeGrom's cost so we wouldn't have to go through Rangers' salary-pay-downs/ better prospect gyrations. I'd prefer DeGrom... but you've outlined a difficulty there (salary-paid-tied-to-top-prospects). Joe Ryan is a difference maker. But even more tricky because he's a higher prospect cost and it's the Twins...

Next year's rotation would be Skubal-DeGrom-Olson-Flaherty-Jobe, with Madden/ Melton/ Hamm in Toledo and other depth either signed for Toledo or in Erie on the way up, or as a 5th/6th starter for Detroit (hopefully better than we've seen from Maeda/Cobb). IMO: that makes Mize/ Montero/ SGL superfluous, or at least tradeable assets. If Mize needs to be a part of a package that gets us DeGrom: Absolutely. I don't see Mize as a 1.10 WHIP guy, he's a really good pitcher but has consistently been less than that (this year at 1.20, one of his best years ever...) but I'm looking at difference-makers in the top 2 spots. Maybe top 3. That's DeGrom... and I'm hoping Jobe steps it up after recovering from his injury and gets into that 1.05 WHIP or better range. Olson has been in the 1.10 range, with a higher K-rate... Just sayin'...

I'm absolutely with point 3. I see no reason for a depth starter. It's difference-maker as a starter or forget about it.

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, CaliforniaDreaming said:

I wonder if the Tigers go big on getting a SPer at the deadline (I don't know what top quality starter might be available) with the obvious hope of winning the WS this year, but also to give them the option of a replacement for Skubal (of course, anyone would be a step down) so that they feel free to trade him a year before he becomes a free agent. That way they can possibly get a better package for him.

You're talking Garrett Crochet or Joe Ryan here.

Very costly in prospect terms.

And uncertain if Boston or the Twins want to move those guys.

[1984Echoes]

1 hour ago, TigerNation said:

Miller will require at least two of Clark, McGonigle, Rainer, and Briceno, plus some extra.

I don't believe this is correct.

 

3 hours ago, ICroupier said:

You'd have to give up WAY more than our #25 prospect for Miller...

I'd think a Dylan Smith and Max Anderson-type package would be needed. Not saying I'd do it, but that's what it would take.

Which is why I said "additional pieces as necessary"... in fact, it's IN what you QUOTED from me, the very next sentence.

So let's say you are correct: Dylan Smith plus Max Anderson. Plus Mattison. Plus maybe Liranzo, also? Do they take a lower-level international sign like Osorio or Franyerber or Miranda instead of Liranzo...? I'm guessing Harris could talk the A's out of Liranzo and into one of the lower-level guys not named Cris Rodriguez... and he may even add another guy to offset that like Schiefelbein or Owen Hall... But I'm just guessing. There are packages the A's would take that do NOT involve two of our top 5 prospects (per TigerNation)... IMO.

Yes, costly...

But I'm hunting World Series.

I want domination. Difference-makers. Aroldis Chapman. Jacob DeGrom. Mason Miller. True difference makers in the playoffs and WS games.

Just my 2 cents.

And sorry if I wasn't clear on the cost for Miller.

[RatkoVarda]

Team Harris has won just about every trade with the Tigers.

But they have never been buyers - at least not with the Tigers - so I hope the winning streak continues.

I think they acquire 2 impact pitchers to maximize the Skubal window.

One of the Big 5 (at least) is moved.

[RatkoVarda]

14 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

So let's say you are correct: Dylan Smith plus Max Anderson. Plus Mattison. Plus maybe Liranzo, also? Do they take a lower-level international sign like Osorio or Franyerber or Miranda instead of Liranzo...? I'm guessing Harris could talk the A's out of Liranzo and into one of the lower-level guys not named Cris Rodriguez... and he may even add another guy to offset that like Schiefelbein or Owen Hall... But I'm just guessing. There are packages the A's would take that do NOT involve two of our top 5 prospects (per TigerNation)... IMO.

if there was a package of crap like this that Harris could send to Sacramento to get Miller, he would have already made the trade.

I would do Clark and Hamm for Miller

[TigerNation]

Thinking it could be possible to get Miller without giving up a top 100 prospect is some of the most delusional trade talk I've ever seen.

Miller would net a top 100 prospect if he was a two month rental, and you're getting him for 5 postseason runs. You'd have to absolutely blow the As away with an offer, they have no desire to move him now.

[Shinzaki]

We want a pitcher...not a belly itcher.

I want to keep Clark and McGonigle...after that..let's talk

[gehringer_2]

2 hours ago, TigerNation said:

That package for Miller? 

Do you guys not realize Miller has a 14+ K/9 and has four more years of control right?

The years of control is where the value is. Performance wise he does K a ton but he's also started to walk a lot of guys, which is always a warning sign about a guy's long term predictability. You'd almost rather take a high K high BB guy on shorter term at less cost/risk than Miller would be.

Edited Friday at 03:34 PM by gehringer_2

[Tenacious D]

I wonder how many teams will ultimately decide to sell?  The Tigers showed last season that anything is possible, even with the most remote odds.  I really don’t see the AL Central pulling the plug, save for the White Sox.

Would be ironic if the Tigers, buyers for the first time in 10 years, are disadvantaged by their performance in ‘24. The fewer the sellers, the more the buyers (potentially), which will drive up prices for the fewer players available.

 

[Tenacious D]

And for our trade capital, I think Max Anderson and Josue Briceno are the most attractive prospects we could move without feeling the loss.

Add in Hamm or another pitcher (I’d like to hold on to Melton cause I suspect we’ll need him this season) and you could command a good player

Edited Friday at 03:51 PM by Tenacious D

[gehringer_2]

8 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

And for our trade capital, I think Max Anderson and Josue Briceno are the most attractive prospects we could move without feeling the loss.

Too late to move Anderson, he's batting 111 for July 🤯

(Akron walked him 5 times in 15 PA in a three games series so the 111 BA goes with a 400 OBP 🤣) 

Edited Friday at 03:43 PM by gehringer_2

[RatkoVarda]

Sweeney and Liranzo for Bednar. That was the cost for the Dodgers for 2 months for Jack. Both have elevated their profiles since, so can you get 2 months + 1 year of Bednar for that same duo?

[casimir]

32 minutes ago, Tenacious D said:

I wonder how many teams will ultimately decide to sell?  The Tigers showed last season that anything is possible, even with the most remote odds.  I really don’t see the AL Central pulling the plug, save for the White Sox.

 

Anything might be possible, but I wouldn’t think teams would choose to try to emulate the Tigers’ second half.

[chasfh]

47 minutes ago, Shinzaki said:

We want a pitcher...not a belly itcher.

I want to keep Clark and McGonigle...after that..let's talk

Scott? Is that you?

I can’t see Harris giving up either Clark or McGonigle, both Top 12 MLB prospects according to Pipeline, for a reliever with control problems who’s having a down year.

FWIW, I also can’t see Harris adding a close-to-the-end-of-the-line veteran with an injury history and who’s due another $90 or so million into a clubhouse that relies partially on the bonhomie of scrappy kids playing to make a career for themselves, especially when deGrom would cost us at least two top 5 prospects. That’s going to be the starting bid to get deGrom from the Rangers, a team who recently won a pennant and is still within view of the playoffs this year.

[casimir]

3 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said:

Sweeney and Liranzo for Bednar. That was the cost for the Dodgers for 2 months for Jack. Both have elevated their profiles since, so can you get 2 months + 1 year of Bednar for that same duo?

I do like the idea of flipping the exact same package acquired last season in an exchange of buyer/seller roles.  Well done!

[SeattleMike]

1 hour ago, Tenacious D said:

And for our trade capital, I think Max Anderson and Josue Briceno are the most attractive prospects we could move without feeling the loss.

Add in Hamm or another pitcher (I’d like to hold on to Melton cause I suspect we’ll need him this season) and you could command a good player

I don't think anyone would trade the Tigers enough for them to consider including Briceno. I'm not sure why Tiger fans consider him expendable. He isn't a two-way player, like McGonigle or Clark, but he may have the best power bat in the system. Guys with strong potential to hit 35-40 HRs a year don't come along very often. If we must, trade Liranzo before Briceno. 

[RatkoVarda]

I would take a run at LHR Dylan Lee of Atlanta. Assuming Braves are still competing, could offer Montero to help their rotation if Olson and SGL are back.

[Tenacious D]

1 hour ago, SeattleMike said:

I don't think anyone would trade the Tigers enough for them to consider including Briceno. I'm not sure why Tiger fans consider him expendable. He isn't a two-way player, like McGonigle or Clark, but he may have the best power bat in the system. Guys with strong potential to hit 35-40 HRs a year don't come along very often. If we must, trade Liranzo before Briceno. 

Not saying to give him away, but of all of our elite prospects, he’s the most expendable.  Tork has improved both his offensive and defensive skills, so he’s entrenched at 1B likely fir the next few years, at least.

I’d prefer to keep Liranzo—he’ll stay at catcher.