6/21/25 12:10PM Tigers @ Rays

[Toddwert]

33 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

We need to get Flaherty straightened out and Olson back. Is there any help down on the farm? I don't see Harris trading any of our top prospects for quality arms but maybe he will?

good thing we have some guys that arent the top prospects like Hamm, Lee, Jung and Max Anderson that have value

[casimir]

5 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

They got 6 1/3 out of SGL, That was a victory of sorts in itself.

Yup.  Didn’t blow up the bullpen today.  Still an opportunity to salvage a win out of this series tomorrow.   Day off Monday.  So, there will be pitching options tomorrow if needed.

[Toddwert]

5 minutes ago, casimir said:

Yup.  Didn’t blow up the bullpen today.  Still an opportunity to salvage a win out of this series tomorrow.   Day off Monday.  So, there will be pitching options tomorrow if needed.

is there an opener that can give up 5 runs tomorrow?

Edited Saturday at 06:53 PM by Toddwert

[Klondike]

20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

I suppose it's not that odd to consider a passed ball an error for scoring purposes. A PB is just a catcher's error, it's just given a class of its own. I guess the question is why is it its own classification? 

Same goes for a pitcher's error goes as unearned runs as well, which I never can understand. A pitcher make the error, that should be go against him.

[IdahoBert]

I’m glad this game was not the fulcrum on which my day rested, as it often is, but it still still sucks. 

[Sports_Freak]

24 minutes ago, Klondike said:

Same goes for a pitcher's error goes as unearned runs as well, which I never can understand. A pitcher make the error, that should be go against him.

But at least it would show up in the box score. Seeing 4 unearned runs with no errors is kinda....weird.

[HugoD]

Yup, as has been noted by others, need to get pitching back on track.  Right now, I don’t have the usual confidence in the rotation other than Skubal, and it’s unreasonable to count on him to never have a bad outing.

As for the past 3 games, every  team goes through bad streaks in a 162 game season, but I do feel things have been a bit off the past few weeks.

[motownblues]

50 minutes ago, Klondike said:

Same goes for a pitcher's error goes as unearned runs as well, which I never can understand. A pitcher make the error, that should be go against him.

I would assume it's not classified an error since the ball was not hit to the catcher.

[Hongbit]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

how much for skenes?

McGonigle, Clark, Briceno, maybe Liranzo too.   

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, HugoD said:

Yup, as has been noted by others, need to get pitching back on track.  Right now, I don’t have the usual confidence in the rotation other than Skubal, and it’s unreasonable to count on him to never have a bad outing.

As for the past 3 games, every  team goes through bad streaks in a 162 game season, but I do feel things have been a bit off the past few weeks.

Or maybe they were too "on" for the first ten or so weeks, and now they're regressing to a more reasonable and sustainable level? They might not be a 103-win juggernaut after all. Maybe they're more like a solid 90-win team which, heck, ain't bad at all.

[chasfh]

43 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

McGonigle, Clark, Briceno, maybe Liranzo too.   

There's exactly 0% chance, ±0, that the Pirates will sell Paul Skenes anytime this year. Their fans would revolt and show up at the ballpark and on the TV ratings even less than they do now.

Edited Saturday at 09:12 PM by chasfh

[casimir]

19 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Or maybe they were too "on" for the first ten or so weeks, and now they're regressing to a more reasonable and sustainable level? They might not be a 103-win juggernaut after all. Maybe they're more like a solid 90-win team which, heck, ain't bad at all.

Anyone that predicted this team would be on top of the league in late June after missing significant time from Meadows and Vierling can just stop lying.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, Toddwert said:

is there an opener that can give up 5 runs tomorrow?

I could be available to pitch against 5 batters.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

3 hours ago, Klondike said:

Same goes for a pitcher's error goes as unearned runs as well, which I never can understand. A pitcher make the error, that should be go against him.

ERA is a measure of pitching, not the pitcher as a whole. the fielding/throwing error on a pitcher is not a reflection of the pitching, so it's an unearned run.

Edited Saturday at 10:09 PM by Crazy Cat Gentleman

[Hongbit]

48 minutes ago, chasfh said:

There's exactly 0% chance, ±0, that the Pirates will sell Paul Skenes anytime this year. Their fans would revolt and show up at the ballpark and on the TV ratings even less than they do now.

Not likely but much more than 0% chance.  

They are currently 17 under .500 and 2nd worst team in the NL.  They aren’t playing a bunch of young players like Rockies, Marlins, and White Sox.  Their entire everyday lineup is 28 or over.  

Their farm system entered the season ranked 27th.  They are desperately in need of talent.  

If the team with the top farm system in baseball were to offer their top 4 prospects, not only should they listen but they should trade Skenes without hesitation.      They would immediately have maybe the best overall farm system in baseball and their fans would actually have something to be excited about for the future.

 I can’t see Scott Harris doing something like this but it would definitely make sense for the Pirates if he did. 

[buddha]

5 hours ago, Hongbit said:

McGonigle, Clark, Briceno, maybe Liranzo too.   

they'd take less than that.

[Hongbit]

6 minutes ago, buddha said:

they'd take less than that.

I don’t think so.  This isn’t your normal trade deadline all-star.  This is a generational talent.   He’s a 1-1 pick that’s lived up to that and more.  

[buddha]

49 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

I don’t think so.  This isn’t your normal trade deadline all-star.  This is a generational talent.   He’s a 1-1 pick that’s lived up to that and more.  

he's a pitcher and subject to injury anytime.  and he plays once every five games.  i'd take that offer in a heartbeat if i were pittsburgh.

Edited yesterday at 02:33 AM by buddha

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

he's a pitcher and subject to injury anytime.  and he plays once every five games.  i'd take that offer in a heartbeat if i were pittsburgh.

he is a bit of a throwback though - he averages 6 innings per start. He's on a pace for well over 200 IP this season, and who does that anymore? But  agreed, throwback or no in Skenes particular case, the trend toward 3 pitchers working every game in something like a 5/2/2 or even 4/3/2 pattern seems inevitable to me, in which case IP will continue to drop for starters along with the max value of any single pitcher.....

[papalawrence]

DD might have pushed chips in for Skenes. I don't see Harris doing that. Skenes is as good a young arm as I have ever seen. That includes Gooden, Clemens, Blue etc

[IdahoBert]

I can’t see Harris literally selling the farm for any pitcher when their health is so volatile these days. His philosophy is not “win once now and damn the future consequences.” His whole thing is about building a sustainable organization from top to bottom. You don’t do that by decimating the foundation. 

[tiger2022]

Pirates aren't trading Skenes since they have 4 more years of control.

[Sports_Freak]

2 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

I can’t see Harris literally selling the farm for any pitcher when their health is so volatile these days. His philosophy is not “win once now and damn the future consequences.” His whole thing is about building a sustainable organization from top to bottom. You don’t do that by decimating the foundation. 

I agree, trading for Skenes isn't happening. And looking at the 15m he gave Cobb? He may as well have signed Boyd, the Cubs got him for 2 years and 30m.

[tiger2022]

The Tigers only have Skubal for this year and next.  They need to trade for mlb talent that can help them win a WS in that time period.

Realistically, most of the prospects are going to be busts anyway or turn out to be like Trey Sweeney level of mlb player.  Very rarely does a team trading for prospects win any trade.  Take a look at the Tigers selling off all their stars for a bunch  of guys that could barely make it to AA.

[chasfh]

18 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I suppose it's not that odd to consider a passed ball an error for scoring purposes. A PB is just a catcher's error, it's just given a class of its own. I guess the question is why is it its own classification? 

To differentiate it from an error on a ball the batter puts into play, which catchers are also subject to do.