Motown Bombers Posted October 1 Posted October 1 I always thought Caldwell was a good coach. I think he got a lot out of his team, and Patricia showed with the same players you could do a lot worse. Caldwell isn’t a special coach like Campbell. Campbell is the type of coach who if he ever became available would have his pick of jobs. If he didn’t want to coach, he would have his pick of networks to join as a commentator. 1 Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 1 Posted October 1 The Millen Man March was an all time moment in Lions history and good on the fans and hosts at WDFN who finally stood up to old man Ford. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 1 Posted October 1 23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: Cam Sutton is available *ducks* I doubt he checks the box on the culture fit any longer after what he did. Now that CB has become likely our biggest need, if they wanted to swing for the fences, I'd love to get a guy like Greg Newsome from the Browns. He's in the final year of his contract on a bad team that's going nowhere. I doubt we'd make a splash move like that, but Newsome is a name I'd love to inquire about. Quote
sagnam Posted October 1 Posted October 1 (edited) Needs to be someone who tackles to be considered. I bet they roll with what they have. Edited October 1 by sagnam Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 1 Author Posted October 1 40 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I always thought Caldwell was a good coach. I think he got a lot out of his team, and Patricia showed with the same players you could do a lot worse. Caldwell isn’t a special coach like Campbell. Campbell is the type of coach who if he ever became available would have his pick of jobs. If he didn’t want to coach, he would have his pick of networks to join as a commentator. I always thought Caldwell was the type who would get the baseline out of his players. Seldom more, never less. Is that good enough to win a championship? Well if Peyton Manning is your QB, it’ll get you awfully close. He’d probably do pretty well with the Lions current roster. On the 2019 Lions though it wasn’t going to be good enough unless we found a hell of a lot better GM than Martin Mayhew or Bob Quinn. That was unrealistic, and Caldwell was not going to inspire us to win games where the other team wanted it more (e.g., Bengals). Or to win 11 games with a 8/9 win roster. So, he needed to go. Campbell OTOH is the type who can take a guy like Malcolm Rodriguez or Christian Mahogany, taken in the 6th round as fringe NFL talent, and make them play to the best of their ability every single game. Make them improve into starters. Campbell will turn a 1-16 roster into a 3-13-1 result; a 6-11 roster into 9-8; 10-7 into 12-5; and 12-5 into 15-2. With Campbell, the baseline isn’t good enough. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 1 Author Posted October 1 2 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I feel like Burrow running the offense from a wheelchair in shotgun formation could have better results. Quote
Jason_R Posted October 1 Posted October 1 The Bengals players have tanked. They don't believe they can win without Burrow, and if they don't believe it, who is to say they are wrong? Quote
Motor City Sonics Posted October 1 Posted October 1 3 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: I always thought Caldwell was a good coach. I think he got a lot out of his team, and Patricia showed with the same players you could do a lot worse. Caldwell isn’t a special coach like Campbell. Campbell is the type of coach who if he ever became available would have his pick of jobs. If he didn’t want to coach, he would have his pick of networks to join as a commentator. Caldwell was outstanding Monday through Saturday. His teams were almost always competitive and prepared. But his in-game coaching was subpar. Always his downfall. The Green Bay Hail Mary play was a perfect example. Quote
1984Echoes Posted October 1 Posted October 1 2 hours ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: ... Now that CB has become likely our biggest need, if they wanted to swing for the fences, I'd love to get a guy like Greg Newsome from the Browns. He's ... I wish they'd make one big swing at a guy. Apparently, CB is a lot harder to fill than an extra pass-rusher. Plus we can draft and develop pass-rushing from multiple positions (DT, DE, blitz-LB'er or blitz-Safety...) Please swing for the fences Brad. One guy. One CB. My preferences: One big CB that is at least 6'0" or more. Preferably more. That can take on a bigger WR. And can tackle. And actually breaks up passes or gets INT's. I would love to get a Sauce Gardner (not possible at all... just sayin'...) Next on my list (picking guys only on losing teams), not in any particular order (actually, I put Stingley at the top of the list as he'd be my #1 "WANT this guy"): Texans - Derek Stingley, Jr. Giants - Paulson Adebo Giants - Deonte Banks Cowboys - DaRon Bland Bears - Tyrique Stevenson (yeah I'd even do a trade with the Bears though at 2-2 and intradivision they say no...) Texans - Kamari Lassiter Titans - L'Jarius Sneed Saints - Alontae Taylor Panthers - Jaycee Horn? (injured a lot... could be had for cheap?) Panthers - Mike Jackson Would anyone offer two 1sts and anything else it took to get Stingley? Just wonderin'... Because... I would. Even though all the other guys on the list would be so much cheaper. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted October 2 Posted October 2 I lost faith in Caldwell after that loss to Seattle on MNF where the Seahawks player illegally batted the ball for a safety. It bothered me that Caldwell said nothing to the officials about it or made any scene whatsoever. I don't need you to go crazy out there and make a real scene but jeez show some emotion and try to argue the point to the official, it may fall on deaf ears or it may make them realize that they made an honest mistake and correct it(given the Lions history probably not) but it doesn't hurt to try. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 2 Author Posted October 2 Just now, RandyMarsh said: I lost faith in Caldwell after that loss to Seattle on MNF where the Seahawks player illegally batted the ball for a safety. It bothered me that Caldwell said nothing to the officials about it or made any scene whatsoever. I don't need you to go crazy out there and make a real scene but jeez show some emotion and try to argue the point to the official, it may fall on deaf ears or it may make them realize that they made an honest mistake and correct it(given the Lions history probably not) but it doesn't hurt to try. Honestly with that one, I doubt he knew or realized real time. Unless someone in the booth told him, he wouldn't have seen it from the sideline. Even the broadcasters didn't realize it until later their on-call official brought it up. Granted, it's not like he was ever particularly emotional on the sideline. 1 Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 2 Author Posted October 2 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: I wish they'd make one big swing at a guy. Apparently, CB is a lot harder to fill than an extra pass-rusher. Plus we can draft and develop pass-rushing from multiple positions (DT, DE, blitz-LB'er or blitz-Safety...) Please swing for the fences Brad. One guy. One CB. My preferences: One big CB that is at least 6'0" or more. Preferably more. That can take on a bigger WR. And can tackle. And actually breaks up passes or gets INT's. I would love to get a Sauce Gardner (not possible at all... just sayin'...) Next on my list (picking guys only on losing teams), not in any particular order (actually, I put Stingley at the top of the list as he'd be my #1 "WANT this guy"): Texans - Derek Stingley, Jr. Giants - Paulson Adebo Giants - Deonte Banks Cowboys - DaRon Bland Bears - Tyrique Stevenson (yeah I'd even do a trade with the Bears though at 2-2 and intradivision they say no...) Texans - Kamari Lassiter Titans - L'Jarius Sneed Saints - Alontae Taylor Panthers - Jaycee Horn? (injured a lot... could be had for cheap?) Panthers - Mike Jackson Would anyone offer two 1sts and anything else it took to get Stingley? Just wonderin'... Because... I would. Even though all the other guys on the list would be so much cheaper. With it not being a season ending injury, I doubt they do anything substantial. Certainly not sending away significant draft capital. What do you do with Arnold, Reed, and Stingley in 2026? I'm definitely not ready to give up on Arnold. If you're looking at four weeks for Reed, that's Browning, Mahomes, Mayfield, and McCarthy/Wentz, followed by the Bye Week. Obviously Mahomes and Mayfield can burn us in the air, but I don't foresee any addition being able to counter those two in time anyway. I think we are probably going to be better off just going next man up until Reed can return. 1 Quote
Shinzaki Posted October 2 Posted October 2 When Campbell was hired people watched his presser and assumed he was some kind of rah rah low IQ type..particularly when compared to the more restrained Saleh. I don't think anyone questions Campbell's intellect these days Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 2 Author Posted October 2 6 minutes ago, Shinzaki said: When Campbell was hired people watched his presser and assumed he was some kind of rah rah low IQ type..particularly when compared to the more restrained Saleh. I don't think anyone questions Campbell's intellect these days Funny enough, I think people do still question his intellect. I think that's what led into both the narrative of how amazing Ben Johnson was and how big of a step back the Lions were supposed to take this year without him and Glenn. "It couldn't be Campbell who is doing so much great work with the Lions, it must have been the coordinators!" 2 Quote
RandyMarsh Posted October 2 Posted October 2 (edited) With the possible exception of QBs I think all former NFL players turned Head Coaches get lumped into the meathead category especially when you are the physical stature of Campbell, so while the opening press conference sound bites certainly didn't help I think people would assume he was just a rah rah no intellect coach either way. Edited October 2 by RandyMarsh Quote
StrangeBird Posted October 2 Posted October 2 My brother, a fellow Lions fan, still thinks MCDC is a meathead. A good leader but not an intellectual. I disagree. Quote
MichiganCardinal Posted October 2 Author Posted October 2 6 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: With the possible exception of QBs I think all former NFL players turned Head Coaches get lumped into the meathead category especially when you are the physical stature of Campbell, so while the opening press conference sound bites certainly didn't help I think people would assume he was just a rah rah no intellect coach either way. 3 minutes ago, StrangeBird said: My brother, a fellow Lions fan, still thinks MCDC is a meathead. A good leader but not an intellectual. I disagree. I think Campbell has embraced it too. Whether it's the funny bits on McAfee about watching the wave while we threw the ball to Penei and making the wrong call on a fake punt, or wearing the race car helmet to a press conference, or the funny moments in many other press conferences. He's perfectly okay being thought of as the dumdum behind the scenes, while behind closed doors I think he's just as involved in offensive game planning and scheming as Johnson, now Morton. Quote
RandyMarsh Posted October 2 Posted October 2 (edited) I think those that actually watched the whole press conference could filter out the headline clips and understand that Campbell had a high football IQ and was very forward thinking. While I can't recall if it was the true original press conference I know early on in the process he talked about analytics and how he plans to often lean towards them especially in regards to 4th down situations. Also talked about how much he learned under Sean Payton who was one of the most forward thinking head coaches of his time. All things that contradict the whole meathead football coach from a bygone era. Edited October 2 by RandyMarsh Quote
Jimbo Posted October 2 Posted October 2 I don't think and don't want them to make a big trade for a corner. With McNeil (and other defensive players) coming back soon and Reed coming back this season, I don't want them to make a big trade for a corner. Now if they decided to go all in for a DE or are nervous about Decker and go with a OT, I would consider that. What I think we might see is a trade for a veteran corner that has a contract that is easy to get out of if Arnold or Robertson go out for a significant period of time as well. This is where I think Holmes excels at. Earlier in the season everyone was getting all worked up about getting another DE but now CB might be the highest need. The key is to be patient, especially when your winning. The defense has looked good. No reason to trade draft capitol and take on salaries if your winning. What happens if someone on the OL gets injured, that could then be the new hot thing everyone wants to trade for. Its a long season and your positions of need could change in one week. No reason to get desperate if your winning. 11 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: I wish they'd make one big swing at a guy. Apparently, CB is a lot harder to fill than an extra pass-rusher. Plus we can draft and develop pass-rushing from multiple positions (DT, DE, blitz-LB'er or blitz-Safety...) Please swing for the fences Brad. One guy. One CB. My preferences: One big CB that is at least 6'0" or more. Preferably more. That can take on a bigger WR. And can tackle. And actually breaks up passes or gets INT's. I would love to get a Sauce Gardner (not possible at all... just sayin'...) Next on my list (picking guys only on losing teams), not in any particular order (actually, I put Stingley at the top of the list as he'd be my #1 "WANT this guy"): Texans - Derek Stingley, Jr. Giants - Paulson Adebo Giants - Deonte Banks Cowboys - DaRon Bland Bears - Tyrique Stevenson (yeah I'd even do a trade with the Bears though at 2-2 and intradivision they say no...) Texans - Kamari Lassiter Titans - L'Jarius Sneed Saints - Alontae Taylor Panthers - Jaycee Horn? (injured a lot... could be had for cheap?) Panthers - Mike Jackson Would anyone offer two 1sts and anything else it took to get Stingley? Just wonderin'... Because... I would. Even though all the other guys on the list would be so much cheaper. 1 1 Quote
4hzglory Posted October 2 Posted October 2 2 hours ago, Jimbo said: I don't think and don't want them to make a big trade for a corner. With McNeil (and other defensive players) coming back soon and Reed coming back this season, I don't want them to make a big trade for a corner. Now if they decided to go all in for a DE or are nervous about Decker and go with a OT, I would consider that. What I think we might see is a trade for a veteran corner that has a contract that is easy to get out of if Arnold or Robertson go out for a significant period of time as well. This is where I think Holmes excels at. Earlier in the season everyone was getting all worked up about getting another DE but now CB might be the highest need. The key is to be patient, especially when your winning. The defense has looked good. No reason to trade draft capitol and take on salaries if your winning. What happens if someone on the OL gets injured, that could then be the new hot thing everyone wants to trade for. Its a long season and your positions of need could change in one week. No reason to get desperate if your winning. Agree completely. Long term, a top corner is low on the needs IMO - maybe only above starting QB, RB (for 2 years at least) top 3 WR, and LB- maybe safety depending on if they resign Branch. No reason at all to trade draft capital for a top corner. Reed will be back this year. Arnold is better than the refs are giving him credit for, Robertson is starting quality. They have depth to weather this in the short term. Hopefully, Rakestraw will be healthy next year and they will likely add more depth in the offseason/draft. Definitely a waste IMO to trade 2 top picks for a CB, especially a high priced (or soon to be high priced) one with the other contracts we have/need to do. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 2 Posted October 2 Arnold a full participant in practice today. So he looks likely to be good for Sunday. Quote
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