TcFlint Posted October 9 Posted October 9 (edited) Looking ahead: Skubal, Olsen, Mize, Free Agent, Melton. Others: Montero, Urquidy, Jobe Gone: Hopefully Flaherty, Paddack Jobe should be back later in the season August? Urquidy is a veteran and only got into a couple games near the end of the season. With a full spring training and recovery he could be a valuable piece. Edited October 10 by TcFlint Quote
papalawrence Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I'm thinking similar. Harris will probably add 2 mid FA. I'm actually hoping Verlander is one of them, but I doubt it happens. SF wants him to stay put. Quote
1776 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 25 minutes ago, papalawrence said: I'm thinking similar. Harris will probably add 2 mid FA. I'm actually hoping Verlander is one of them, but I doubt it happens. SF wants him to stay put. fwiw, Verlander has stated that he’s fine with one year contracts going forward. Quote
1776 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 20 minutes ago, KL2 said: I think Mize is out. Will be traded. Wouldn’t doubt it at all. If so, I think he’d be fine with it. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, TcFlint said: Looking ahead: Skubal, Olsen, Mize, Free Agent, Melton. Others: Montero, Urquidy, Jobe Gone: Hopefully Flaherty, Paddack Jobe should be back later in the season August? Urquidy is a veteran and only got into a couple games near the end of the season. With a full spring training and recovery he could be a valuable piece. IIRC, Jobe had the lower impact style TJ that Gipson-Long had. Guys can be back in 12mo from that but don't quote me because I"m not sure one way or the other. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 38 minutes ago, 1776 said: Wouldn’t doubt it at all. If so, I think he’d be fine with it. Yeah - he is this team's version of Scherzer. Not to the degree of not giving a guy opening day after he won the Cy Young, but the way Hinch keeps him on such a short leash when the rest of the staff is not exactly stellar has got to be getting to Casey at least a little at this point. And if it isn't, his compete must be so low you don't want him. Quote
TcFlint Posted October 10 Author Posted October 10 If you trade Mize, you need to sign 2 free agents. I am not so sure they lose Mize. That would put us down 2 starters if you include Flaherty. You have to have someone replace those victories and innings. I do not have confidence in Harris paying 2 quality free agents. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 On one hand I don’t see Flaherty opting out of a $20 mil deal for next year on the other hand, he might be a top 3 starter in the free agent market, so maybe he risks it for something long term. id prefer we not bring him back. He can’t get deep enough into games with any consistency and we would be better off using that 20 million to boost the bullpen with legitimate relievers. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 7 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: On one hand I don’t see Flaherty opting out of a $20 mil deal for next year on the other hand, he might be a top 3 starter in the free agent market, so maybe he risks it for something long term. id prefer we not bring him back. He can’t get deep enough into games with any consistency and we would be better off using that 20 million to boost the bullpen with legitimate relievers. it's a little bit chicken/egg though. If you can significant deepen the bullpen, you are under less pressure to even let a starter begin the 3rd pass through the line-up. But I don't know if that's even enough in Flaherty's case since he seems to give up crooked numbers so suddenly. Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 The problem with spending 20 million on the bullpen is you don't know which relievers are going to good from year to year. 4 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: The problem with spending 20 million on the bullpen is you don't know which relievers are going to good from year to year. I feel like you can say that about most positions though outside of superstar players. A lot of players regress (or outplay their deals) suddenly for no apparent reason I feel like Finnegan would be worth hanging onto, and then I’d maybe like to see us go after Coulombe and Kenley Jansen. Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Flaherty should move to the pen. Would be dominant for 1-2 innings. If the Tigers want hom to opt out. They should tell him that’s how they plan to use him. Agree that Mize could get dealt. Would create another hole, but they could patch via other trades/signings. I could see Tork getting dealt, too. Maybe a run after Pete Alonzo. I think they will go after 1-2 established bats after the way this season ended. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Flaherty should move to the pen. Would be dominant for 1-2 innings. If the Tigers want hom to opt out. They should tell him that’s how they plan to use him. I had this thought too. He could probably be a good back end guy Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I could see Tork getting dealt, too. I wonder. As the season has gone on I more and more get the idea he one of the Tigers' few 'glue' players. I know, a quantitative management group probably doesn't believe in that kind of thing. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I don’t like the idea of dealing Tork. It’d take a big trade or expensive free agent signing to replace him. You can say Alonso….but he’s a big time defensive downgrade. I think Tork took a nice step forward this year and I think he will take another big one once the ABS starts up. Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Have to upgrade the offense somewhere. Greene (LF), Dingler (C), Keith (2B), Carpenter (RF/DH) seem fairly safe bets. I would guess that Baez (SS) is safe, too, until McGonigle is ready. I doubt they would upgrade there. I’d put Tork (1B) and Meadows (CF) as likely, but vulnerable to an external upgrade. The obvious positions to upgrade and bring in new talent are 3B and RF/DH, again. Also, probably a good reason that we held on to our position prospects who could be banging on the door next season, including Malloy, Jung, Anderson and Lee. Will Harris largely run back this combination of options or seek other help? 1 Quote
Graterol Posted October 10 Posted October 10 This year is a reminder you need 8 starting pitchers. Flaherty has an interesting decision to make. Don’t think you could get anything better for a 1 year contract so I prefer him coming back. skubal, Olsen, Mize, Melton, Flaherty (or replacement FA) with Urquidy, Jobe, SGL, Montero as depth seems perfectly fine to me. Verlander would actually be a great fit as a reliable arm and maybe helps you limit innings for Melton and/or Jobe if necessary. Bigger issue is the offense. McKinstry, Baez, and Wenceel are best as bench pieces. There is going to have to be a trade with Max Anderson, Jung, Lee, plus Ibanez and Vierling all competing for bench spots. 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 I don’t know what the easy fix is for how platoony the lineup has gotten, but we need a core of players that can hit both handedness of pitching effectively. A few of them took big steps backward in that department this year. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 21 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I don’t know what the easy fix is for how platoony the lineup has gotten, but we need a core of players that can hit both handedness of pitching effectively. A few of them took big steps backward in that department this year. Team is a little bit too left handed IMHO. If Torres walks it will just be worse. It will help a little if Veirling can stay on the field for more than half a season next year but it's gotten to where I don't think we can count on it. They should add a RHB or two if Torres walks. McGonigle and Clark are both lefties. Max Anderson is a righty that's probably due for a shot otherwise they have to go outside. Don't see Malloy turning into a serious contributor, and Jones is purely an anti-LHP specialist. Quote
KL2 Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) 12 hours ago, TcFlint said: If you trade Mize, you need to sign 2 free agents. I am not so sure they lose Mize. That would put us down 2 starters if you include Flaherty. You have to have someone replace those victories and innings. I do not have confidence in Harris paying 2 quality free agents. There are other ways of acquiring talent and there is nothing to say mize can't be traded for another pitcher Edited October 10 by KL2 Quote
4hzglory Posted October 10 Posted October 10 9 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: It will help a little if Veirling can stay on the field for more than half a season next year but it's gotten to where I don't think we can count on it. Why do you say this? This is the first season he's had any significant injury issues since he's been here. Quote
4hzglory Posted October 10 Posted October 10 50 minutes ago, KL2 said: There are other ways of acquiring talent and there is nothing to say mize can't be traded for another pitcher Trading Mize with 1 year affordable year on his deal doesn't seem like Harris' MO especially when they need more SP as this year has shown and Mize has improved significantly. I don't think you get back someone who is ready for next year (when they will for sure be trying to compete) who is likely to be better than Mize, otherwise, why would that team trade him? (Obviously can do a 3-way trade). I personally think it's more likely Harris tries to extend Mize somewhere around 4 years $60-66 million. He is due somewhere between 5.25-6 mil this year in Arbitration. (Trade rumors projects him at $5.4 mil) so that would give him $18/20 mil/yr for the 3 additional years. Considering what is available, that seems fair from the team side with Mize's upside and from the player's side it gives him a guarantee, especially with labor uncertainty in 2027. They are basically guaranteed to lose Skubal after 2026 (They will not trade him IMO, especially with the current playoff run) and they will need Starters for after that (hopefully there will be baseball in 2027). I think Mize has a better chance of being here after 2026 through an extension than he does being traded in the offseason. Quote
ToledoBrian Posted October 10 Posted October 10 11 hours ago, Tenacious D said: Have to upgrade the offense somewhere. Greene (LF), Dingler (C), Keith (2B), Carpenter (RF/DH) seem fairly safe bets. I would guess that Baez (SS) is safe, too, until McGonigle is ready. I doubt they would upgrade there. I’d put Tork (1B) and Meadows (CF) as likely, but vulnerable to an external upgrade. The obvious positions to upgrade and bring in new talent are 3B and RF/DH, again. Also, probably a good reason that we held on to our position prospects who could be banging on the door next season, including Malloy, Jung, Anderson and Lee. Will Harris largely run back this combination of options or seek other help? I agree with this to a large extent, Greene(LF), Dingler(C), Keith(2B), Carpenter(DH) & Meadows (CF) especially for defense/speed. Hopefully we see Anderson / Lee or FA upgrade at 3B. I don't mind another year of Tork, especially as mentioned with the ABS system next year. Still uncertain about Bregman playing half his games at Tiger Field of 5/3 Park... I can see Verlander as our #4 starter doing at least as well as what we have now for sure. So, a big RH RF bat, a starter & relief help to add. I'm looking forward to McGonigle & Clark starting for my Mud Hens until the All Star break before they move up to Detroit next year, and healthy seasons from Olson, Madden & Dylan Smith next year. Quote
Shinzaki Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) Troy Watson in 26..book it Edited October 10 by Shinzaki Quote
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