1776 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: And there is a chance he might take it given the injury. It could be a blessing in disguise. If Torres comes back, which I would be happy with, what happens with Keith? Tork (1st) Torres (2nd) and Javy (ss)… They’ve committed to Keith and they really need to find a legitimate everyday major league third baseman. I don’t see Keith as an answer to third base. Quote
Edman85 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I think worrying about blocking a 20 year old AA player with a mlb All Star is...yikes. One worry, but not enough to not want to offer. Like I said, it would work itself out. And that 20 year old AA player is the best Tigers hitting prospect of my lifetime. Look around at teams who busted out in recent years and see how many of them are because a prospect or two broke onto the scene. Edited October 11 by Edman85 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 14 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I only worry about blocking McGonigle, but that seems like something that would work itself out. I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's one year. If McGonigle shows that he ready to make the jump, he plays SS and Baez plays centerfield. Quote
Edman85 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 minute ago, Tiger337 said: I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's one year. If McGonigle shows that he ready to make the jump, he plays SS and Baez plays centerfield. Right, or somebody gets hurt, or Keith is completely lost at the beginning of the year, or any number of things. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 40 minutes ago, 1776 said: If Torres comes back, which I would be happy with, what happens with Keith? Tork (1st) Torres (2nd) and Javy (ss)… They’ve committed to Keith and they really need to find a legitimate everyday major league third baseman. I don’t see Keith as an answer to third base. Now that they are no longer having to protect his shoulder I think he has to make it at 3rd. I'd rather have a 3b with less than stellar arm than a 2b with poor range. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 39 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's one year. If McGonigle shows that he ready to make the jump, he plays SS and Baez plays centerfield. Re: CF Looking at all his numbers, Parker looks like the guy there should be a decent chance to fix. His fall off is all about too many GBs. He hasn't fallen off on K rate or BB, or much of anything else except he hit too many grounders this season. I would guess that's related to the league pitching him down, but wouldn't you think a competent coaching staff could at least get him into the position he needs to be in to cover the low pitch better? 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: I wouldn't worry about that at all. It's one year. If McGonigle shows that he ready to make the jump, he plays SS and Baez plays centerfield. It's also likely that this was McKinstry's career year and that he won't be challenging for much playing time next season so that's more PA available for someone else to earn. Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 (edited) 40 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Re: CF Looking at all his numbers, Parker looks like the guy there should be a decent chance to fix. His fall off is all about too many GBs. He hasn't fallen off on K rate or BB, or much of anything else except he hit too many grounders this season. I would guess that's related to the league pitching him down, but wouldn't you think a competent coaching staff could at least get him into the position he needs to be in to cover the low pitch better? I definitely still have hope for Meadows. I am just am not counting on him. They don't have enough players locked in to worry about anyone getting blocked. Edited October 11 by Tiger337 Quote
theroundsquare Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I think that if they want to make a push, CF is a good place to look for an upgrade. I can't say that I have somebody in mind, but getting more out of CF would help a lot Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 11 Author Posted October 11 1 hour ago, 1776 said: If Torres comes back, which I would be happy with, what happens with Keith? Tork (1st) Torres (2nd) and Javy (ss)… They’ve committed to Keith and they really need to find a legitimate everyday major league third baseman. I don’t see Keith as an answer to third base. He can either play third base or he could play the same role he did this year. Next year is most likely going to be Skubal's last year as a Tiger and want them to prioritize proven talent. I see 2027 as the next phase where put all there young talent in there every day and see where the chips fall. Quote
romad1 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 57 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Re: CF Looking at all his numbers, Parker looks like the guy there should be a decent chance to fix. His fall off is all about too many GBs. He hasn't fallen off on K rate or BB, or much of anything else except he hit too many grounders this season. I would guess that's related to the league pitching him down, but wouldn't you think a competent coaching staff could at least get him into the position he needs to be in to cover the low pitch better? I'm kinda wondering about that... If the entire team went off a cliff at the same time, shouldn't a data-driven coaching staff be able to identify causes and implement fixes? I realize some of this is Riley Greene wanting to hit with more loft so he can get his big FA contract. Maybe we need an injection of fresh thinking in the hitting room. Quote
romad1 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 24 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I definitely still have hope for Meadows. I am just am not counting on him. They don't have enough players locked in to worry about anyone getting blocked. Meadows has a great chance to develop into an all-star. He needs more runway to show what he is. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 11 Posted October 11 10 minutes ago, romad1 said: I'm kinda wondering about that... If the entire team went off a cliff at the same time, shouldn't a data-driven coaching staff be able to identify causes and implement fixes? I realize some of this is Riley Greene wanting to hit with more loft so he can get his big FA contract. Maybe we need an injection of fresh thinking in the hitting room. Riley really needs to overhaul his swing this off-season. No way should he be allowed to strikeout over 200 times while hitting in the middle of the lineup. Harris hasn't made any big trades or signed any quality free agents, other than Torres and he kinda fell into our lap. Expecting him to trade our best player is somewhat unrealistic. And we really don't know the full story of his inability to bring in trade deadline talent. For all we know, he may have been told not to add any big salaries to our payroll. If Skubal has another Cy Young season in 2026, I could see some team offering Boras that $400m/10 year contract. I just don't see the Tigers winning that bidding war. Dodgers, Yankees or Mets. Maybe San Diego. Trade him in the off-season? Again, Harris hasn't made any huge trades. We'll see... 1 Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I want Riley Greene traded this offseason. This guy is going to spiral downward hard unless he completely changes. I think we have seen his peak and we need to cash out now. Quote
Archie Posted October 11 Posted October 11 12 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I want Riley Greene traded this offseason. This guy is going to spiral downward hard unless he completely changes. I think we have seen his peak and we need to cash out now. I agree. I think he's overrated and I would like see what other teams would give for him. Actually I would be open to trade anyone on the team except Carpenter. I'm not saying trade the whole team, just one or two guys if they can get a good return. I wouldn't consider trading Carpenter because he is the only player on the team that opposing teams fear at the plate and thats the kind of player they need. Tigers also need a top everyday third baseman and of course pitching help. I fear Harris will hit the FA market and overpay every old, washed up players he can find who will not perform or be on the IL most of the season. I would also be open to replacing Hinch. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 11 Posted October 11 Quote I want Riley Greene traded this offseason. This guy is going to spiral downward hard unless he completely changes. I think we have seen his peak and we need to cash out now. Quote I agree. I think he's overrated and I would like see what other teams would give for him. Actually I would be open to trade anyone on the team except Carpenter. I'm not saying trade the whole team, just one or two guys if they can get a good return. I wouldn't consider trading Carpenter because he is the only player on the team that opposing teams fear at the plate and thats the kind of player they need. Tigers also need a top everyday third baseman and of course pitching help. I fear Harris will hit the FA market and overpay every old, washed up players he can find who will not perform or be on the IL most of the season. I would also be open to replacing Hinch. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Ummmm, please send me your dealers number. I want to buy now........ Must be some good stuff for sure. Does he need a distribution network? BTW, Archie, I agree with everything except your first line. Greene, Carpenter are really the only two untouchables on this team. No one else is a division first regular (Sorry Tork and Keith, your close, but not quite there......). Quote Meadows has a great chance to develop into an all-star. He needs more runway to show what he is. You must have bought from MonkeyTargets dealer...... Send me his number please. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 hour ago, romad1 said: I'm kinda wondering about that... If the entire team went off a cliff at the same time, shouldn't a data-driven coaching staff be able to identify causes and implement fixes? This has bothered me also. I realize some in season adjustments are going to be hard to make, but NOBODY on the team was able to make an adjustment after mid season? It seems like as a team they are very rigid. Two examples in particular. McKinstry arrived here as a dead red FB hitter that couldn't handle spin at all. To his credit he's made great strides in that direction, but he's gone too far with it, he's now unable to handle velo. OK, you aren't asking him to do something new he's never done before, he use to be a good FB hitter. Same with Riley. All Riley needs to do is move back toward what he was doing as recently as LAST SEASON. He doesn't need to figure something out for the first time. And Tork's biggest problem IMO is that he is too passive on 1st pitches. That's all between the ears - he should be able to work on that literally in his sleep. Everyone always talks about how much baseball is a game of constant adjustment, but I'm not seeing much adjustment ever happening with Tiger hitters. So maybe they are all just losers. If so the FO didn't do much to rotate the stock. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 So you link to his savant page which clearly shows he is a negative as a fielder and as a runner, and is among the worst in the league at Ks, Whiff %, and doesn’t make up for it by drawing walks. There is A LOT of things to be concerned about for a 25 year old player there when you look at the drop off from 2024. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 (edited) And at some point Hinch and his staff have to take some heat. In 5 yrs Hinch has fielded a good offensive team for exactly a single 162 game span along with 4 yrs of futility. Is it time for him to re-examine *his* approaches? What he's asking his players to do? Edited October 11 by gehringer_2 Quote
romad1 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 10 minutes ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/savant-player/riley-greene-682985?stats=statcast-r-hitting-mlb - Ummmm, please send me your dealers number. I want to buy now........ Must be some good stuff for sure. Does he need a distribution network? BTW, Archie, I agree with everything except your first line. Greene, Carpenter are really the only two untouchables on this team. No one else is a division first regular (Sorry Tork and Keith, your close, but not quite there......). You must have bought from MonkeyTargets dealer...... Send me his number please. Interneting... I'm being accused of being on drugs because I think a player who is an elite defender who has shown pop and awesome baserunning ability should be given a little more time to determine what he is. He's not Jacoby Jones...or, maybe he is Jacoby Jones but we still don't know that. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: I want Riley Greene traded this offseason. This guy is going to spiral downward hard unless he completely changes. I think we have seen his peak and we need to cash out now. IDK about this. If he cuts back on his strikeouts he probably will sacrifice some power. Say...20 to 25 home runs but only 125 strikeouts? He would probably increase his RBI total. IMO, he would be a much more valuable #3 hitter. As it is, he's a #6 or #7 hitter at best. Hinch needs to adjust his thinking about Riley if he doesn't change his swing. Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 11 Posted October 11 29 minutes ago, romad1 said: Interneting... I'm being accused of being on drugs because I think a player who is an elite defender who has shown pop and awesome baserunning ability should be given a little more time to determine what he is. He's not Jacoby Jones...or, maybe he is Jacoby Jones but we still don't know that. A. I was joking about the drugs, so calm down there please. B. You're saying that a career .232/.308/.386 should be an all-star. Not to mention, his BEST season if projected to a full season would be 12 steals/12 HR. He's not a 30/30 guy, nor will he ever be........ At the very most, Parker Meadows would be a really good #4 OF on a 1st division team for a defensive replacement. I get that he was injured this year, but his .BABIP was .280 and he's got career postings of below average barrel%, hard hit %, and batspeed. There's no underlying stats that show he is an All-Star. Now, a gold glover, that's a different story. The Tigers Legit have one, maybe two first division Regulars and that goes to Greene and Carpenter. Tork, Dingler, Keith all will probably be second division regulars. The Tigers have overperformed for two years in a row. Career years by McKinstry and Torres helped for sure. But this isn't sustainable. Tigers need to make some big moves. Since Cameron Maybin, the Tigers haven't had star prospects in their system. McGonigle and Clark actually have that "star potential" (Maybe Rainer too). Guys like Briceno, Liranzo, Lee and Yost could be decent/maybe 1st division regulars. There's a big difference from the pedigree of what's in the minors versus what's on our team now. Will all of these prospects work out? More than likely not. But at the same time, there's a better chance of them being better than almost everyone on our roster, than not. It will take time but I think all Tiger fans need to be realistic. And I'm sorry to call out that statement that Meadows will be an All-Star. Literally nothing would make me happier than to be wrong on that.... Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted October 11 Posted October 11 56 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: So you link to his savant page which clearly shows he is a negative as a fielder and as a runner, and is among the worst in the league at Ks, Whiff %, and doesn’t make up for it by drawing walks. There is A LOT of things to be concerned about for a 25 year old player there when you look at the drop off from 2024. His OPS was .021 different this year than last? So I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. His average was a difference of .004 from the previous year and his OBP was the biggest drop in .035. But he also increased his slugging by .014. Lastly, his BABIP was .021 LOWER than his career average. So he actually should have been better than last year. What should we be concerned about? I'm legit not following that...... Like you mentioned, he's 25, but is a 2x All-Star before turning 26....... Yes, his defense could improve (although -2 is pretty close to league average). But so can Kyle Schwarber, Yordan Alvarez, Christian Yelich, Randy Arozarena's as well as many others...... I'd be very happy with those guys in LF...... What do you not like about Greene long-term? The prime baseball age for players is 28-32. He's still two to three years away from his prime....... Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 11 Posted October 11 1 hour ago, Archie said: I agree. I think he's overrated and I would like see what other teams would give for him. Actually I would be open to trade anyone on the team except Carpenter. I'm not saying trade the whole team, just one or two guys if they can get a good return. I wouldn't consider trading Carpenter because he is the only player on the team that opposing teams fear at the plate and thats the kind of player they need. Tigers also need a top everyday third baseman and of course pitching help. I fear Harris will hit the FA market and overpay every old, washed up players he can find who will not perform or be on the IL most of the season. I would also be open to replacing Hinch. As a reminder, Riley turned 25 last month. Hope you all sent cards. Quote
romad1 Posted October 11 Posted October 11 I was noting to the wife that today's forum is all over the map. A lot of passion and a little bit of perspective. Quote
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