casimir Posted Sunday at 03:11 PM Posted Sunday at 03:11 PM 12 hours ago, Tiger337 said: Joe Morgan was 5-7 and he may have been the best all around player I have ever seen. Flapping that back wing at the box just revved up the bat to ball skills. 1 Quote
casimir Posted Sunday at 03:12 PM Posted Sunday at 03:12 PM 57 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Unless any of the following apply to each of you, you’re not really in any position to critique the guys height as a projectable limitation: -Professional scouting or analytics experience -Observed a minimum of 50 McGonigle plate appearances -Own and regularly play Strat-a-Matic -Currently live in your parents basement -Have recently enjoyed an extended stay at a Holiday Inn Express. McGonigle will rake—if he does it while playing SS, he will be a superstar. Anybody ever try Randy Johnson pitching to Joe Morgan in Stratomatic or OOTP or backyard wiffleball? Please post your findings. 2 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted Sunday at 05:11 PM Posted Sunday at 05:11 PM McGonigle is both a unicorn and a strawman. If he is ROY, and he certainly could be, that does not turn Wilmer Flores or Thayron Liranzo into better prospects. If you are all in on McGonigle (and you absolutely should be) that does not mean that the best bet is still predicting that most prospects will fall short of expectations. And I am happy to put Max Clark into (almost) the same bucket as McGonigle, as he might provide average (above average?) hitting and above average (premium?) D at an up the middle position - but again Clark is both a strawman and a (lesser) unicorn. For the below, so far we have 3 DFAs (or the equivalent) plus 3 releases looming. 2 average starters. 2 injured pitchers. Quote
Edman85 Posted Sunday at 05:44 PM Posted Sunday at 05:44 PM 31 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: McGonigle is both a unicorn and a strawman. If he is ROY, and he certainly could be, that does not turn Wilmer Flores or Thayron Liranzo into better prospects. If you are all in on McGonigle (and you absolutely should be) that does not mean that the best bet is still predicting that most prospects will fall short of expectations. And I am happy to put Max Clark into (almost) the same bucket as McGonigle, as he might provide average (above average?) hitting and above average (premium?) D at an up the middle position - but again Clark is both a strawman and a (lesser) unicorn. For the below, so far we have 3 DFAs (or the equivalent) plus 3 releases looming. 2 average starters. 2 injured pitchers. Not all team Top 10's are created equal, though. That is to say Top 10 strengths vary significantly, so saying "This Top 10 failed" doesn't mean another Top 10 will fail. Yes, the odds both McGonigle and Clark become top flight regulars are much smaller than people think, but this snap shot was from a time when the Tigers' farm was pretty weak (preseason 2023?). Quote
1984Echoes Posted Sunday at 05:52 PM Posted Sunday at 05:52 PM 14 hours ago, IdahoBert said: ... is that “he doesn’t look like a ball player.“ I can see that being a problem for some. That would be Max Anderson. Quote
Stormin Posted Sunday at 06:02 PM Posted Sunday at 06:02 PM 23 hours ago, Tiger337 said: One concern I have is that he may have already peaked. Given his nickname (Stormin Norman Cash?), I suspect he's old for a rookie. My dog's name is Norman. I have been a Tiger fan for awhile. 2 Quote
4hzglory Posted Sunday at 06:08 PM Posted Sunday at 06:08 PM 3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: No way does he make this team as a once a week player. My wild guess is he starts in Toledo and gets called up in 2 cases...Javy struggles or gets hurt or Meadows struggles or gets hurt and is replaced in CF by Javy. I have a lot of confidence in the player development team that Harris has in place to make the proper decision. Obviously when he comes up, he will definitely be playing every day. If they think that is likely to happen at anytime before the end of August (which I believe they will), I think he starts in the majors. This gives the potential for an extra draft pick under the current cba. If he shows he isn’t quite ready, they can send him down and be in the same position (draft pick wise) as starting him in Toledo and calling him up later. The carrot of the extra pick is worth a considerable amount. Quote
1984Echoes Posted Sunday at 06:12 PM Posted Sunday at 06:12 PM 20 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Not all team Top 10's are created equal, though. That is to say Top 10 strengths vary significantly, so saying "This Top 10 failed" doesn't mean another Top 10 will fail. Yes, the odds both McGonigle and Clark become top flight regulars are much smaller than people think, but this snap shot was from a time when the Tigers' farm was pretty weak (preseason 2023?). That seems like a pretty good guess... Because spring 2022 Top 10 would have had Greene, Tork, Carpenter (I think he broke top 10 before coming up to Detroit?), Keith, Jung & Flores might have been in that top ten but others vying for the back end of that might have been Faedo, Manning, Brieske, Lange and Foley. All of those guys, except Keith, Jung and Flores would have been OFF the preseason 2023, with only Jobe as a high level replacement. I believe... Quote
1984Echoes Posted Sunday at 06:18 PM Posted Sunday at 06:18 PM So let's consider 2022 Top 10: Skubal and Mize had already graduated by then... So in 2022: Greene, Tork and Carpenter all debut. Keith is still waiting. Did Dingler ever break the top 10? This year preseason before he played a full season and lost "rookie" eligibility? 2022 also saw debuts or full seasons for all those pitchers listed (except for Flores). I think Manning had 86 innings the prior year. Keeping pitchers healthy nowadays sure sucks... Quote
1984Echoes Posted Sunday at 06:25 PM Posted Sunday at 06:25 PM 3 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: ... I really don't see him coming north with us this spring unless he has an everyday position. No way does he make this team as a once a week player. My wild guess is he starts in Toledo and gets called up in 2 cases...Javy struggles or gets hurt or Meadows struggles or gets hurt and is replaced in CF by Javy. I have a lot of confidence in the player development team that Harris has in place to make the proper decision. If the team deems McGonigle ready, Baez will lose his starting SS position. Hinch is perfectly fine, and I believe Baez is on board with this, playing Baez as the backup SS, at CF or 3B wherever and whenever he (Hinch) sees fit. Baez is not that type of concern anymore, and McGonigle has nothing to fear from him. He only has to prove that he's ready for MLB pitching, and that he's capable in the field, nothing more. And then he will be the everyday starter at SS, with Baez and McKinstry backing him up. The person who should be worried, IMO... is Meadows. If he's struggling, or nicked up, in the least... Baez or Vierling are getting the starts out there. He is far too often struggling to stay over the Mendoza line. IMO, I believe there will be less patience for that in 2026... But I'm just guessing. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM Posted Sunday at 07:10 PM 9 hours ago, Edman85 said: ??? First and second year college guys are not eligible for the draft ( unless they are 21) OK - I just recollect that he was older when he came out for some reason - maybe he was just a year older when he went to school. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted Sunday at 10:26 PM Posted Sunday at 10:26 PM 12 hours ago, Edman85 said: ??? First and second year college guys are not eligible for the draft ( unless they are 21) Probably thinking about football and basketball. I never knew that about baseball. Quote
Cruzer1 Posted Sunday at 11:16 PM Posted Sunday at 11:16 PM Wilmer Flores got cut by the Tigers late in the season. Quote
Stormin Posted yesterday at 02:34 AM Posted yesterday at 02:34 AM Food for thought McGonigle League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 18-20 / 339 / .324 / .408 / .463 / .872 A+ / 19-20 / 228 / .337 / .439 / .583 / 1.021 AA / 20 / 206 / .254 / .369 / .550 / .919 AZFL / 20 / 90 / .362 / .500 / .710 / 1.210 Keith League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 19 / 181 / .320 / .436 / .422 / .858 A+ / 19-20 / 292 / .264 / .339 / .467 / .806 AA / 20-21 / 276 / .325 / .391 / .585 / .977 AZFL / 20 / 80 / .344 / .463 / .541 / 1.003 AAA / 21 / 301 / .287 / .369 / .521 / .890 Probably not a popular opinion, but my gut tells me that McGonigle starts the season at AAA and the Tigers start the season with a Baez / McKinstry platooning at short. I know many say McKinstry can't repeat 2025, but the Tigers may want to keep McKinstry in the lineup on a regular basis until he proves he can't repeat the 3.2 fWAR silver slugger season. 2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted yesterday at 03:22 AM Posted yesterday at 03:22 AM 44 minutes ago, Stormin said: Food for thought McGonigle League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 18-20 / 339 / .324 / .408 / .463 / .872 A+ / 19-20 / 228 / .337 / .439 / .583 / 1.021 AA / 20 / 206 / .254 / .369 / .550 / .919 AZFL / 20 / 90 / .362 / .500 / .710 / 1.210 Keith League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 19 / 181 / .320 / .436 / .422 / .858 A+ / 19-20 / 292 / .264 / .339 / .467 / .806 AA / 20-21 / 276 / .325 / .391 / .585 / .977 AZFL / 20 / 80 / .344 / .463 / .541 / 1.003 AAA / 21 / 301 / .287 / .369 / .521 / .890 Probably not a popular opinion, but my gut tells me that McGonigle starts the season at AAA and the Tigers start the season with a Baez / McKinstry platooning at short. I know many say McKinstry can't repeat 2025, but the Tigers may want to keep McKinstry in the lineup on a regular basis until he proves he can't repeat the 3.2 fWAR silver slugger season. Some of this sorts out in ST. Baez, McKinstrey, McGonigle, Meadows and Wenceel Perez will probably all see their April assignments hinge on their ST evaluations. Quote
Cruzer1 Posted yesterday at 01:18 PM Posted yesterday at 01:18 PM The Tigers already said that both McGonigle and Clark needed more time in the minors, and would be up during the season. Quote
chasfh Posted 23 hours ago Posted 23 hours ago (edited) 11 hours ago, Stormin said: Food for thought McGonigle League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 18-20 / 339 / .324 / .408 / .463 / .872 A+ / 19-20 / 228 / .337 / .439 / .583 / 1.021 AA / 20 / 206 / .254 / .369 / .550 / .919 AZFL / 20 / 90 / .362 / .500 / .710 / 1.210 Keith League / Age / Plate Appearances / BA / OBP / SLG / OPS A / 19 / 181 / .320 / .436 / .422 / .858 A+ / 19-20 / 292 / .264 / .339 / .467 / .806 AA / 20-21 / 276 / .325 / .391 / .585 / .977 AZFL / 20 / 80 / .344 / .463 / .541 / 1.003 AAA / 21 / 301 / .287 / .369 / .521 / .890 Probably not a popular opinion, but my gut tells me that McGonigle starts the season at AAA and the Tigers start the season with a Baez / McKinstry platooning at short. I know many say McKinstry can't repeat 2025, but the Tigers may want to keep McKinstry in the lineup on a regular basis until he proves he can't repeat the 3.2 fWAR silver slugger season. I agree that McGonigle will start the season in Toledo unless he proves he is bulletproof on a process basis, and chances are he won't. I don't think this will be a cynical case of manipulating his earning power to save a few bucks, but it sure will be positioned that way, here and elsewhere. I also agree that McKinstry deserves a chance to show he can repeat, unless his mechanics completely break down in March. I mean, I would bet real money he won't repeat it, but he has certainly earned that opportunity to prove it coming into the season. Edited 23 hours ago by chasfh Quote
IdahoBert Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago Ripped from the headlines: A healthy Meadows could be game-changer for Tigers' lineup I thought he was healthy when he couldn’t hit squat this season… Quote
Tiger337 Posted 16 hours ago Author Posted 16 hours ago A healthy Parker Meadows...following in the footsteps of his brother. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: A healthy Parker Meadows...following in the footsteps of his brother. You had to go there, didn't you? 😉 Quote
1984Echoes Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 10 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: You had to go there, didn't you? And we don't EVEN need to go there... Because if he can't hit adequately better than Mendoza... I believe we have better options. By adequate... I mean, IMO, that he needs to be a .240 plus guy, bare minimum. And an OBP close to or above .330... that, with his defense make him a starter. At least for now... Edited 16 hours ago by 1984Echoes Quote
roarintiger1 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Good grief......I hope that Meadows can hit. I would love to see him squeeze Perez out of the lineup.......... Quote
IdahoBert Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago Yeah, it’s low hanging fruit. And I’m not proud of contributing to its harvest I mean, I’m not mentally and emotionally strong, but I’m not paid to produce an alternate reality that other people can identify with and feel that they have “won” or accomplished something. But I wish him the best, and when he was blossoming at the end of 2024, it was beautiful. Let’s hope he can come around and do it again. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 3 minutes ago, IdahoBert said: Yeah, it’s low hanging fruit. And I’m not proud of contributing to its harvest I mean, I’m not mentally and emotionally strong, but I’m not paid to produce an alternate reality that other people can identify with and feel that they have “won” or accomplished something. But I wish him the best, and when he was blossoming at the end of 2024, it was beautiful. Let’s hope he can come around and do it again. If they can get Parker configured at the plate so he can handle the bottom of the zone, I see hope, because the other aspects of his outcomes weren't so bad. But he couldn't cover the zone with the approach he had last season. And of course if he can stay on the field. 1 Quote
casimir Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: If they can get Parker configured at the plate so he can handle the bottom of the zone, I see hope, because the other aspects of his outcomes weren't so bad. But he couldn't cover the zone with the approach he had last season. And of course if he can stay on the field. Was his swing just too long in general or did he struggle mostly low in the zone? Kid has long limbs, so I can see how it’d be easy to get too long. Quote
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