MichiganCardinal Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago I was mostly ambivalent over the arbitration dispute, but I do wonder what its effects on the grander scheme of the CBA will be. I don't see how we don't lose at least one season of baseball at the rate we are going. The infighting amongst owners will need to be settled before a new deal can even be negotiated. The Walter (LAD), Cohen (NYM), & Steinbrenner (NYY) coalition are probably pretty okay with the status quo. The Nutting (PIT), Castellini (CIN), and Monfort (COL) groups are going to be out for blood. And then a ton (including Ilitch) land somewhere in the middle, who won't want a season of lost revenue but also recognize the need for reform. Amongst the owners, the conversation probably starts with revenue sharing, which is a hot mess right now. You've got the New York, LA, and Chicago media markets that are doing just fine. And then Milwaukee, Tampa, and Cincinnati are making a tenth of that money, while many local TV deals are going sideways. All the while, the Dodgers benefit from a Chicago Parking Meter like deal with MLB. Revenue sharing is at 48% right now... where do you go from there? Beyond revenue sharing, when push comes to shove at the table between owners and MLBPA, what are the owners even going to fight for? Presumably a salary cap, which if they are serious about, will probably cause an NHL 2004-2005 lockout in and of itself. Of course, that should probably be accompanied with a salary floor that will ruffle the feathers of the cheaper owners (see revenue sharing above). Now after Skubal, a lot of owners will want to see arbitration get an overhaul too. Will the entire rookie ball system of control need to get one too if high profile players aren't guaranteed a payday in year 7/8? Everything is a mess. It feels like by March 2027, there is a chance they'll have only torn down, and anything and everything will be on the table and up for grabs. Speaking of the NHL, it is the most comparable professional sports league in terms of revenue/game (obviously only because MLB has nearly double the games). Yet, the highest paid player AAV in the entire NHL ($14MM) would be outside the top 90 highest players in MLB. Now, should the owners go to the table and say "we want to be more like the NHL"? Obviously not. But, I do think they have a point that higher profile players in their league are paid significantly more commensurately than the other professional leagues. It's all just messy and I don't see any easy path forward for anybody. Quote
Stormin Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago Tigers Luxury Tax Payroll estimates spotrac: $229,259,852 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/detroit-tigers/tax fangraphs: $244,086,251 https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/tigers COTS: $233,614,050 https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/detroit-tigers/ Quote
Edman85 Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 45 minutes ago, Stormin said: Tigers Luxury Tax Payroll estimates spotrac: $229,259,852 https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/detroit-tigers/tax fangraphs: $244,086,251 https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/payroll/tigers COTS: $233,614,050 https://legacy.baseballprospectus.com/compensation/cots/american-league/detroit-tigers/ My calcs... Player CBT Total Framber Valdez $38,333,333.33 Tarik Skubal $32,000,000.00 Javier Baez $23,333,333.33 Gleyber Torres $22,025,000.00 Jack Flaherty $17,500,000.00 Kenley Jansen $11,000,000.00 Kyle Finnegan $9,500,000.00 Drew Anderson $7,000,000.00 Casey Mize $6,150,000.00 Riley Greene $5,000,000.00 Colt Keith $4,773,750.00 Zach McKinstry $4,200,000.00 Spencer Torkelson $4,075,000.00 Will Vest $3,950,000.00 Kerry Carpenter $3,275,000.00 Matt Vierling $3,255,000.00 Jake Rogers $3,050,000.00 Tyler Holton $1,575,000.00 Beau Brieske $1,157,000.00 Reese Olson $800,000.00 Parker Meadows $800,000.00 Wenceel Perez $800,000.00 Dillon Dingler $800,000.00 Jahmai Jones $800,000.00 Brant Hurter $790,000.00 Brenan Hanifee $790,000.00 Jackson Jobe $785,000.00 Ty Madden $380,700.00 Sawyer Gipson-Long $372,053.00 Trey Sweeney $359,243.00 Keider Montero $238,347.00 Bailey Horn $150,084.00 Troy Melton $149,447.00 Jace Jung $127,100.00 Drew Sommers $127,100.00 Dylan Smith $127,100.00 Hao Yu Lee $63,600.00 Thayron Liranzo $63,600.00 Jake Miller $63,600.00 Eduardo Valencia $63,600.00 Trei Cruz $63,600.00 Justyn-Henry Malloy -$100,000.00 Eduardo Rodriguez -$933,333.33 Tomas Nido Burch Smith Tanner Rainey Phil Bickford Enmanuel De Jesus Bryan Sammons Troy Watson Scott Effross Ricky Vanasco Corey Julks Jack Little Tyler Mattison Bligh Madris Tyler Owens Sean Guenther Dugan Darnell Matt Seelinger $208,833,257.33 Pre-Arb Bonus Pool $1,666,666.67 Player Benefits $18,000,000.00 CBT Payroll $228,499,924.00 CBT Threshold $244,000,000.00 CBT Room $15,500,076.00 Quote
TJ Rollercoaster Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: "Kyle Tucker is not much better than Bobby Higginson" is not something I expected to read this morning. How do Tucker's August RBI's compare vs. Higginson's? (referencing an ancient discussion from around these parts) 1 Quote
casimir Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago In some order, the rotation is Skubal. Valdez, Flaherty, Mize, Olson. Other candidates are Anderson, Melton, Montero, Gipson-Long, with maybe Anderson as a long RP and Melton, Montero, Gipson-Long stashed in Toledo. I’ll be honest, I still want to add Bassitt. There is no such thing as enough pitching. If everyone is healthy, great. Play the minor league options game, or trade for a position of need, or maybe move a P for a younger P with more minor league options, or trade for another LHRP. Quote
casimir Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: "Kyle Tucker is not much better than Bobby Higginson" is not something I expected to read this morning. Unexpected yet unsurprising. Quote
Edman85 Posted 39 minutes ago Posted 39 minutes ago Hao-Yu Lee on Team Taiwan (I refuse to call it Chinese Taipei) in the WBC. Quote
Tiger337 Posted 37 minutes ago Author Posted 37 minutes ago 22 minutes ago, casimir said: Unexpected yet unsurprising. It's funny. Higginson is underrated because he was the best player on some horrible teams. Tucker may be overrated, but still substantially better than Higginson. Quote
casimir Posted 29 minutes ago Posted 29 minutes ago 3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: It's funny. Higginson is underrated because he was the best player on some horrible teams. Tucker may be overrated, but still substantially better than Higginson. Higginson had a very solid overall career, so not trying to slight him at all. But definitely not as good as Tucker’s career to date. One thing that elevates Tucker over Higginson is his year to year consistency. Higginson started out well, but was up and down around late 20s, early 30s. Tucker started out a little slower, but has rattled off 5 very good seasons in a row. Higginson doesn’t have that on his baseball card. Quote
Edman85 Posted 18 minutes ago Posted 18 minutes ago Rosters still rolling out, but this is what I've got from the Tigers system so far: Tiger Team Carlos Lequerica Israel Kenley Jansen Netherlands Duque Hebbert Nicaragua Hao-Yu Lee Taiwan Tarik Skubal USA George Lombard USA (Coach) Keider Montero Venezuela Enmanuel De Jesus Venezuela Gleyber Torres Venezuela Quote
Screwball Posted 17 minutes ago Posted 17 minutes ago I got a ball from Tiger stadium in the lower deck in right field off Higgy. I had it in my trophy case until my boys ran out of baseballs. Quote
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