Tiger337 Posted May 22 Posted May 22 3 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I think the problem with WAR isn’t that it’s a flawed statistic to look at—but that people want to assume that it’s a consistent and predictable way to evaluate a players future production. The question shouldn’t be “what was his WAR last year?” It should be “are his underlying metrics supporting the idea that his WAR is repeatable?” I tend to agree. I use it mostly to help describe what has happened in the past. Some of the elements of the various WARs are indeed predictive of the future, but when you try to mix all the parts together, there are a lot of things that can change in the future. For the future, it only works as baseline. Quote
casimir Posted May 22 Posted May 22 1 hour ago, theroundsquare said: my knee hurts. so, also the fans Our eyes hurt from watching this month. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted May 23 Author Posted May 23 8 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I think the problem with WAR isn’t that it’s a flawed statistic to look at—but that people want to assume that it’s a consistent and predictable way to evaluate a players future production. The question shouldn’t be “what was his WAR last year?” It should be “are his underlying metrics supporting the idea that his WAR is repeatable?” WAR can be useful for projecting future production since it tends to be process-oriented, whereas results can be skewed by luck, and sometimes a lot. Quote
chasfh Posted May 23 Author Posted May 23 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I tend to agree. I use it mostly to help describe what has happened in the past. Some of the elements of the various WARs are indeed predictive of the future, but when you try to mix all the parts together, there are a lot of things that can change in the future. For the future, it only works as baseline. RA9-WAR is very good for describing what happened with pitchers, since it is results-oriented and doesn’t factor out BABIP or LOB. When I do backward-looking pitcher analysis, I typically use RA9-WAR instead of WAR. 1 Quote
Edman85 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 40 man moves to make room for Melton and Brieske could get interesting... Quote
gehringer_2 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Edman85 said: 40 man moves to make room for Melton and Brieske could get interesting... yeah - the guys I would care least about losing are position players but that's a mismatch since it's pitchers that are coming back. Edited May 23 by gehringer_2 Quote
casimir Posted May 23 Posted May 23 15 minutes ago, Edman85 said: 40 man moves to make room for Melton and Brieske could get interesting... The move for Melton was probably predetermined. I’m ignorant on Brieske’s estimated return. 8 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: yeah - the guys I would care least about losing are position players but that's a mismatch since it's pitchers that are coming back. Hurter was pulled last night. So what for and does it become a factor in the decisions? It’s hard to believe whatever he did would cause a trip to the 60 day IL, but who knows. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 15 minutes ago, casimir said: The move for Melton was probably predetermined. I’m ignorant on Brieske’s estimated return. Hurter was pulled last night. So what for and does it become a factor in the decisions? It’s hard to believe whatever he did would cause a trip to the 60 day IL, but who knows. Thing is, even if Hueter ends up on the 60 eventually with a more serious muscle strain, that's probably a decision they would normally prefer not to make until a week or more on the 10 day after they see how it's responding. Of course what they 'prefer' to do is probably swirling down the drain with the rest of team's chances. Quote
casimir Posted May 23 Posted May 23 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Thing is, even if Hueter ends up on the 60 eventually with a more serious muscle strain, that's probably a decision they would normally prefer not to make until a week or more on the 10 day after they see how it's responding. Of course what they 'prefer' to do is probably swirling down the drain with the rest of team's chances. Well, you would think that’s what would occur. But as you say, the drain swirling is getting a bit out of control. We’re into the chapters of the choose your own adventure book that nobody thought we’d be reading. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted May 23 Posted May 23 52 minutes ago, Edman85 said: 40 man moves to make room for Melton and Brieske could get interesting... Vanasco and SGL Quote
NorthWoods Posted May 23 Posted May 23 11 blown saves sucks. I wish Chris Illitch would issue and organizational decree to stop signing washed up old relievers. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 03:44 PM Posted Monday at 03:44 PM 11 minutes ago, chasfh said: Gaahh Old people and injuries Quote
chasfh Posted Monday at 03:45 PM Author Posted Monday at 03:45 PM Just now, Tiger337 said: Old people and injuries I wish I were as old as he again! Quote
Tiger337 Posted Monday at 03:47 PM Posted Monday at 03:47 PM 1 minute ago, chasfh said: I wish I were as old as he again! Me too, but the slow recovery time starts early. Quote
chasfh Posted Monday at 04:18 PM Author Posted Monday at 04:18 PM 29 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: Me too, but the slow recovery time starts early. And that goes double for guys who demand the max out of their bodies nine months a year for 20 years running. Quote
NorthWoods Posted Monday at 05:21 PM Posted Monday at 05:21 PM Hopefully Glyber gets healthy so we can get a bag of balls for him at the deadline too. Opens up the position for someone. Quote
papalawrence Posted Monday at 06:22 PM Posted Monday at 06:22 PM First 1/3 of the season is now complete. Tigers are one game above the Angels and Rockies for the worst record in MLB Baseball is a hard, cruel game. Quote
Edman85 Posted Monday at 08:26 PM Posted Monday at 08:26 PM Madden getting a rehab start today. It seems he's on track to spend the minimum time on the IL. Quote
KL2 Posted Monday at 08:31 PM Posted Monday at 08:31 PM On 5/23/2026 at 11:35 AM, Tenacious D said: At least we’re not the loser Angels! Hey at least the 2027 draft is looking loaded Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted Monday at 09:26 PM Posted Monday at 09:26 PM 59 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Madden getting a rehab start today. It seems he's on track to spend the minimum time on the IL. Wondering if they’ll just activated him and put him back at Toledo or if he’s earned the nod over Vanasco or Hanifee Quote
gehringer_2 Posted Monday at 10:34 PM Posted Monday at 10:34 PM 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: Wondering if they’ll just activated him and put him back at Toledo or if he’s earned the nod over Vanasco or Hanifee I hope the slot him ahead of Vanasco or Hanifee Quote
Edman85 Posted Monday at 10:39 PM Posted Monday at 10:39 PM 1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said: Wondering if they’ll just activated him and put him back at Toledo or if he’s earned the nod over Vanasco or Hanifee Probably send him down and keep him stretched out. Especially with SGL struggling, you probably want Madden ready to step in. Quote
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