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3 minutes ago, casimir said:

Would you count on a repeat performance?  

But we'd need to have a different cast of bad players having their one good year - it's too much to ask for multiple bad players to have multiple good years, if they could they wouldn't be bad players.

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2 hours ago, Tenacious D said:

Let’s agree this was a pretty flawed team even before the onslaught of injuries.  Those only made things worse.  The team’s record over the last 100 games or so, going back to last season is one of the 3 worst.

Player development at both the major and minor league levels has taken a setback.  Colt Keith is a prime example.  The kid is huge and a good contact hitter, with zero homers through 1/3 of the season. That’s hard to accomplish and probably something mechanical.

Our minors are a mess, too.  A handful of healthy, promising pitchers and many positional players who have regressed (though many have moved up a rung so could be adjustment periods).

Here’s our organizational team records through 5/29: 
 

 

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Good summation of the season so far. Focus should be on development going forward even at the major league level and even at the cost of wins. The season is burnt toast..time to scape off the burn, add some butter and jam and make the best of it.

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My guess is that the first step to change will be at least a mini-overhaul of development and coaching staff at more than one level. I would also think training staff will experience some turnover as they identify some shortcomings in the process of keeping guys from getting hurt and going on the list.

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5 hours ago, chasfh said:

My guess is that the first step to change will be at least a mini-overhaul of development and coaching staff at more than one level. I would also think training staff will experience some turnover as they identify some shortcomings in the process of keeping guys from getting hurt and going on the list.

I think the move, at least in the pitching side, is getting away from starters altogether.  Too much money being spent on starters who miss significant time and whose absence ends up being a major burden to the organization.

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9 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

I think the move, at least in the pitching side, is getting away from starters altogether.  Too much money being spent on starters who miss significant time and whose absence ends up being a major burden to the organization.

What do mean getting away from starters altogether?  

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The tigers have been very unlucky with injuries and bullpen implosions.  i suspect that will change in the second half of the season and give them a chance if skubal comes back and they dont trade him.

then again, im sure harris is out scouting 40 year old 5th starters who have great "underlying numbers" and will turn the tide once they get to detroit...

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21 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Going to a 13 man pitching roster that is used fluidly and without defined roles.  Essentially, mass pitching chaos.  

That sounds pretty extreme.  How about three regular starters and two bullpen games? The 3-3-3 rotation.  3 regular starters and 2 games where 3 pitchers pitch 3 innings apiece.  That leaves 4 full-time bullpen guys and the 6 3-inning starters can also pitch in relief in another game.   

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31 minutes ago, buddha said:

The tigers have been very unlucky with injuries and bullpen implosions.  i suspect that will change in the second half of the season and give them a chance if skubal comes back and they dont trade him.

 

They were 18-17 before the injuries piled up and they can get back to being that kind of team.  However, I think they have fallen so far that it's going to be really hard to recover.  

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33 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

They were 18-17 before the injuries piled up and they can get back to being that kind of team.  However, I think they have fallen so far that it's going to be really hard to recover.  

Torres and Carpenter both played for the Hens tonight - Carpenter a walk in 2 PA, Torres 0-4. Sounds like we can't count on Javy for a long time yet. But with the BP a mess and Mize questionable Torres and Carpenter are not enough. If Mize doesn't come off the 15 on time and stay off it the rest of the way (neither seems likely)  I don't see them having any chance to catch up.

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10 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

That sounds pretty extreme.  How about three regular starters and two bullpen games? The 3-3-3 rotation.  3 regular starters and 2 games where 3 pitchers pitch 3 innings apiece.  That leaves 4 full-time bullpen guys and the 6 3-inning starters can also pitch in relief in another game.   

Well, we have Framber and Keider now, Flaherty to eat innings, and Melton stepping into rotation. That’s four. Skubal is said to be back soon, and if you believe that, that’s five. If we get lucky and get Casey back within a month, that’ll be six. Then we can have Flaherty come to Jesus.

I know everyone thinks it’s certain everyone gets traded at the deadline, but if not, that’s what we have.

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2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Well, we have Framber and Keider now, Flaherty to eat innings, and Melton stepping into rotation. That’s four. Skubal is said to be back soon, and if you believe that, that’s five. If we get lucky and get Casey back within a month, that’ll be six. Then we can have Flaherty come to Jesus.

I know everyone thinks it’s certain everyone gets traded at the deadline, but if not, that’s what we have.

Loving Casey as a pitcher, at wits end with him as an athlete.

Posted
21 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Wenceel goes 80 PA without a HR, hits 3 in his next twenty. You knew he'd start playing better once the need to play him looked like it would decrease.

It still needs to decrease.  A lot.

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3 hours ago, chasfh said:

Well, we have Framber and Keider now, Flaherty to eat innings, and Melton stepping into rotation. That’s four. Skubal is said to be back soon, and if you believe that, that’s five. If we get lucky and get Casey back within a month, that’ll be six. Then we can have Flaherty come to Jesus.

I know everyone thinks it’s certain everyone gets traded at the deadline, but if not, that’s what we have.

Jobe may be back in August and JV will get some starts. Justification for trading Skubal and Mize. .if Harris were to buy a book...

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