05/13/2026 7:10p EDT Detroit Tigers at New York Mets

[casimir]

[CaliforniaDreaming]

Might as well watch the Pistons tonight

[buddha]

i havent been paying attention this year, but why do the tigers suck?  i know about skubal, but why is everyone else bad?

[NorthWoods]

54 minutes ago, buddha said:

i havent been paying attention this year, but why do the tigers suck?  i know about skubal, but why is everyone else bad?

Too many uniforms are muddling their identity.   

[Tiger337]

57 minutes ago, buddha said:

i havent been paying attention this year, but why do the tigers suck?  i know about skubal, but why is everyone else bad?

Melton and Mize are injured.

Valdez is having his usual meltdown games at the wrong time.  

Flaherty can't get the ball over the plate.  I don't know why.  

They didn't win the reliever lottery this year.

Their defense is bad and the the injuries to Baez and Meadows have made it worse.  

 

 

 

 

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, buddha said:

i havent been paying attention this year, but why do the tigers suck?  i know about skubal, but why is everyone else bad?

Because August 2024 - July 2025 was some sort of strange fever dream and the team has never really been all that good outside of that stretch, which was just enough to get them to the playoffs a couple of times, but not into true contention.  Lucky to be in a weak division.     Sure, the injuries (Meadows, Beaz, Torres, Skubal, Mize, Vest, Carpenter) have been to a level that can be called ridiculous, but even when they had those guys they weren't all that good, except for Skubal and MIze.    I've given up on Torkelson now and I have had enough of Carpenter getting hurt every single year.  Mize gets hurt every year too.  They have a headcase for a second starter that they are vastly overpaying because Harris and Chris I were on some sort of sugar high when they signed him.   Third starter is garbage.   Verlander probably can't pitch when it's under 80 degrees.    Meadows has missed too much time for injuries, but at least it was on a hustle play.     McKinstry turned back into a pumpkin.  The Manager tinkers too much.  Let Colt Keith hit against lefties, for **** sake.  I mean the guys you are platooning for him aren't hitting lefties any better than he does, so let him learn.  He's one of 4 decent hitters on this squad.  You need to play him every single day until he proves he's not.  They have somewhat useless players on this team like Jones and Short.    I mean, honestly, if Zack Short is on your team - then you suck.   Period.    And this team sucks. 

 

And baseball reference, can you please have any other ad but that Eric Byrnes ad.  Over and Over and Over.   Even with the volume down it's annoyng. 

Edited 6 hours ago by Motor City Sonics

[gehringer_2]

23 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Melton and Mize are injured.

Valdez is having his usual meltdown games at the wrong time.  

Flaherty can't get the ball over the plate.  I don't know why.  

They didn't win the reliever lottery this year.

Their defense is bad and the the injuries to Baez and Meadows have made it worse.  

 

 

 

 

Vest hurt and Janson blowing 3 saves in 12 outings.

What the heck are they going to do with Flaherty? You can't put him in the BP - well maybe they could try, he usually does get through one inning before he breaks down.

Edited 6 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Motor City Sonics]

And I think I am stealing this from another poster - so whomever you are I give you credit, but if you're keeping Jahmai Jones on this team only because he's out of options, then you've got serious roster problems.   Go ahead and cut him.  There's a very good chance he's clearing waivers - and if he doesn't you've got Ben Malgeri, Max Clark and Corey Julks, who can do what he does and maybe better - and you probably have 2 more after them.  

And come on.  I know they just signed DeJong, but I will take an ice cold Paul DeJong over Zack Short any day of the week.     What the hell happened to Sweeney, is he still hurt or did he get hurt again?     Waste of a roster spot.    How many SS do they have in their top 20 prospects - 5, 6 ?   Yet no real SS options other than McGonigle right now.   

It's such a mess. 

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

Because August 2024 - July 2025 ...

Mize's last two injuries boggle the mind. How can an athlete trained for doing a couple of hours at maximum full body exertion hurt himself twice doing basically nothing? 

I keep hearing that training for injury prevention is now a sub-field within athletic training - pushed early on by guys like Tom Brady. I wonder if the Tigers are hip to that or not?

Edited 6 hours ago by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

40 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Melton and Mize are injured.

Valdez is having his usual meltdown games at the wrong time.  

Flaherty can't get the ball over the plate.  I don't know why.  

They didn't win the reliever lottery this year.

Their defense is bad and the the injuries to Baez and Meadows have made it worse.  

 

I have nightmares about the Orioles a couple years ago who everyone thought were the up and coming team and then just crashed back to futility after only one and a half good seasons.

[chasfh]

54 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Melton and Mize are injured.

Valdez is having his usual meltdown games at the wrong time.  

Flaherty can't get the ball over the plate.  I don't know why.  

They didn't win the reliever lottery this year.

Their defense is bad and the the injuries to Baez and Meadows have made it worse.  

 

 

 

 

Also, Reese Olson and Jackson Jobe, both of whom we'd hoped to get positive contributions from this year. Olson is gone for good this year; Jobe might be back in August, or might not, and will be on training wheels if/when he does come back.

Torres has been out, and now Carpenter.

I'll mention Verlander because some fans were really counting on him to be his old self this year, although I myself and a lot of other fans never did expect much from him.

[chasfh]

58 minutes ago, Motor City Sonics said:

And baseball reference, can you please have any other ad but that Eric Byrnes ad.  Over and Over and Over.   Even with the volume down it's annoyng. 

https://adblockplus.org/

[gehringer_2]

Just now, chasfh said:

https://adblockplus.org/

doesn't all the "sports reference" site block ad blockers now unless you pay up? 

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

doesn't all the "sports reference" site block ad blockers now unless you pay up? 

It's true, I do have a Stathead subscription.

[Tiger337]

8 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Also, Reese Olson and Jackson Jobe, both of whom we'd hoped to get positive contributions from this year.

I expected nothing from Olson and Jobe this year.  Once a pitcher gets seriously hurt, I expect nothing from them him until they get back.  Players that get injured in previous years are not baked into my preseason expectations.  

[chasfh]

3 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I expected nothing from Olson and Jobe this year.  Once a pitcher gets seriously hurt, I expect nothing from them him until they get back.  Players that get injured in previous years are not baked into my preseason expectations.  

I think a lot of people thought all winter that we would get something out of Olson this year. I was myself hoping to. You probably knew something we didn't, but It wasn't until February when he went under the knife and was declared out for the year.

I also think some people expected (still expect) something out of Jobe, but again, even if he does come back in August, he won't be going full bore until next spring.

If you don't bake players into your projections because of injuries sustained during previous years, does that mean you regard Olson and Jobe as being done done for their careers?

[Tiger337]

6 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It's true, I do have a Stathead subscription.

I have Stathead and FanGraphs subscriptions and that is it.  FanGraphs also is mostly unusable now without a subscription.  Pretty much any major news or sports site is really hard to use now without a subscription.  This was inevitable, but I miss the old internet.  I don't subscribe to read opinions and propaganda which is what news has become 

 

[Tigermojo]

2 hours ago, buddha said:

i havent been paying attention this year, but why do the tigers suck?  i know about skubal, but why is everyone else bad?

Pitching and hitting stats roughly the same as last year. Defense went from average to abysmal. Base running went from ok to meh.

[Tiger337]

3 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I think a lot of people thought all winter that we would get something out of Olson this year. I was myself hoping to. You probably knew something we didn't, but It wasn't until February when he went under the knife and was declared out for the year.

I also think some people expected (still expect) something out of Jobe, but again, even if he does come back in August, he won't be going full bore until next spring.

If you don't bake players into your projections because of injuries sustained during previous years, does that mean you regard Olson and Jobe as being done done for their careers?

I didn't know anything about Olson that anyone else didn't know.  I have just come to the conclusuion that pitchers with long-term injuries can not be counted on.  I am not assuming that Olson and Jobe are done for their careers.  I just am not counting on them.  I am hopeful that Olson will some day return to form.  And really, Jobe has never proven anything at the MLB level.  He is still a good prospect.

[chasfh]

6 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Pitching and hitting stats roughly the same as last year. Defense went from average to abysmal. Base running went from ok to meh.

Also a touch of bad luck: we are at 19-23, and pythag says we should be 21-21.

[chasfh]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

I didn't know anything about Olson that anyone else didn't know.  I have just come to the conclusuion that pitchers with long-term injuries can not be counted on.  I am not assuming that Olson and Jobe are done for their careers.  I just am not counting on them.  I am hopeful that Olson will some day return to form.  And really, Jobe has never proven anything at the MLB level.  He is still a good prospect.

So, you're not counting on them to ever contribute to the Tigers ever again, but also, you're not counting them out for their entire careers? In other words, out of sight, out of mind? is that fair?

[Tiger337]

35 minutes ago, Tigermojo said:

Pitching and hitting stats roughly the same as last year. 

Surprisingly, that is true about the pitching, but I was expecting them to improve significantly with Valdez and a full year of Melton.

I am not disappointed with the hitting.  I was not expecting it to be a strength and it's pretty much what I thought it would be. 

Their fielding has been a disaster and I think the impact of injuries to Meadows and Baez have been understated.  

Edited 4 hours ago by Tiger337

[Tiger337]

15 minutes ago, chasfh said:

So, you're not counting on them to ever contribute to the Tigers ever again, but also, you're not counting them out for their entire careers? In other words, out of sight, out of mind? is that fair?

No, I regard them similarly to how I regard Max Clark.  I am still very hopeful and will be excited to see them when they are back.  

Edited 5 hours ago by Tiger337

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

No, I regard them similarly to how I regard Max Clark.  I am still very hopeful and will be excited to see them when they are back.  

We always have hopes for any player we see, even Gage Workman. When it comes to some level of expectation, I think of Max Clark as a universally-regarded position-player top prospect with no history of injuries, so I do expect positive contribution out of him.

Is that a guarantee? No, but I don’t think it’s a crapshoot, either. I think the chances we get something out of Max are far higher than the chances we get nothing out of him. Will he be an 8-win superstar? That’s rare, but it’s within a reasonable range of outcomes for him specifically. A 5-win All-Star? I think that’s fairly probable at some point, if not perennially. Will he be a consistent 2-win everyday guy? I think he should be at least that, although I’d be disappointed if that’s where he topped out. Will he be a complete sub-replacement bust? I think the chances of that are very low, and I would be shocked if stayed healthy, played as hard as he could and up to his capabilities, and he were to crap out like that. I think something dramatic would have to happen, like a terrible freak injury, a series of Parker Meadows injuries, or even a serious diagnosed illness, for us to get nothing out of him.

That pretty much sums up how I view Max Clark, which is very different from how I view Reese Olsen or Jackson Jobe. 

[SoCalTiger]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

We always have hopes for any player we see, even Gage Workman. When it comes to some level of expectation, I think of Max Clark as a universally-regarded position-player top prospect with no history of injuries, so I do expect positive contribution out of him.

Is that a guarantee? No, but I don’t think it’s a crapshoot, either. I think the chances we get something out of Max are far higher than the chances we get nothing out of him. Will he be an 8-win superstar? That’s rare, but it’s within a reasonable range of outcomes for him specifically. A 5-win All-Star? I think that’s fairly probable at some point, if not perennially. Will he be a consistent 2-win everyday guy? I think he should be at least that, although I’d be disappointed if that’s where he topped out. Will he be a complete sub-replacement bust? I think the chances of that are very low, and I would be shocked if stayed healthy, played as hard as he could and up to his capabilities, and he were to crap out like that. I think something dramatic would have to happen, like a terrible freak injury, a series of Parker Meadows injuries, or even a serious diagnosed illness, for us to get nothing out of him.

That pretty much sums up how I view Max Clark, which is very different from how I view Reese Olsen or Jackson Jobe. 

Corbin Carroll lite with less power and better defense but will take some time at the major league level to get there.