05/22/2026 7:15p EDT Detroit Tigers at Baltimore Orioles

[chasfh]

It’s hilarious how Basallo, the Orioles’ catcher, is being so lippy with the umpire. What is he hoping to accomplish with that?

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, theroundsquare said:

they should say 'charm city' on the jersey.  wtf

Or at least a patch that says “Hon”.

[monkeytargets39]

[romad1]

6 runs a week is not a Bert. 

[gehringer_2]

22 minutes ago, chasfh said:

And the chances of all four of them returning to 100% or better of pre-injury condition is almost zilch.

If it was a clean break Meadows should be back to 100%, but at this point he has lost so much development time that may be 100% of not much.

high ankle sprain could become a chronic deficit for an athlete but pretty fair chance Javy will be fine.

Gleyber seems like he is just starting to break down, a major injury                                                                                                                        a 3 consecutive seasons now. 

Likewise - over his 4 full seasons Carpenter's availability has been 57%

Edited 21 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

I am not much in favor of platooning especially young players. I also don't like the constant position changes. I believe in defined roles , consistent positions and making a decision on a player that lasts longer than the next game. I guess I'm out dated but if a player knows when he will be playing and where he will be playing and that he is given some commitment to both I think they will perform better. This team plays very tight and I think it's at least partly due to thinking every at bat or opportunity might be your last. 

Which nine guys would you have starting in the same position every night, and which four guys would you keep on the bench?

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Which nine guys would you have starting in the same position every night, and which four guys would you keep on the bench?

You mean other than Wenceel Perez?  

[gehringer_2]

I'm not all the way to the 'just play 9 guys' limit, but I'd like to see Colt given 100 games at 3b - everyday (subject to rest days) - no other gloves. Same with McG at SS -  and when Javy comes back he is the CF so McG stays put. Also would give give Torkelson a few more regular days off than Hinch usually does, though obviously he did sit him the other day. He's played 159,150, 155 the last three seasons. I'd like to see if he benefits from that dropping to ~145.

Edited 20 hours ago by gehringer_2

[SoCalTiger]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Which nine guys would you have starting in the same position every night, and which four guys would you keep on the bench?

Ok assuming full health as follows :

DH - Carpenter - Choosing power over Colt Keith obp (shrinking)

1B- Tork -lacking any alternatives

2B - Torres

3B  McGonigle - look he can play short but his arm and reactions say 3B for the next 10 years and we can move on to fixing other spots. Decision made.

SS - Baez - again slim picking until Peck is ready or this is the position to obtain elsewhere ASAP. Job 1 like its been for so long.

C - Dingler - easy one

LF - Greene

CF - Meadows until Clark is ready

RF - Verling

My bench is McStinky - Colt Keith ( DH and PH and PR only) Rogers  Perez

Batting order 

McGonigle- Greene- Dingler- Torrres (second lead off) - Carpenter - Tork -Baez - Verling - Meadows

The above gives us our best defense and maximizes what little power we have. 

I don't trust Colt Keith in the field and would look to trade him and if not convert him to the outfield next off season and spring training. He plays really tight so maybe a position change will help. He is still young. 

 

[gehringer_2]

7 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

I don't trust Colt Keith in the field and would look to trade him

You and Hinch both. He has appeared in 47 games this season, has only 17 complete games - he either went in as or was lifted for a pinch hitter in 30 times in 47 games. That's quite the indictment of either the player or the team that spent to buy out his arb years. Or just a manager under so much pressure to win he's doesn't care about player development any more.

But this relates to a previous discussion. Keith once had a lot of trade value, today he has about none. Either their evaluation of him when they extended him was just wrong, or they've messed up his development - either way, he was a high value asset as a prospect/rookie and as of today that value is largely squandered. He needed to either be traded or made into a good player.

That's an example of an organizational fail. So no org will win 'em all, but the more you lose the tougher it is.

Edited 11 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, SoCalTiger said:

Ok assuming full health as follows :

DH - Carpenter - Choosing power over Colt Keith obp (shrinking)

1B- Tork -lacking any alternatives

2B - Torres

3B  McGonigle - look he can play short but his arm and reactions say 3B for the next 10 years and we can move on to fixing other spots. Decision made.

SS - Baez - again slim picking until Peck is ready or this is the position to obtain elsewhere ASAP. Job 1 like its been for so long.

C - Dingler - easy one

LF - Greene

CF - Meadows until Clark is ready

RF - Verling

My bench is McStinky - Colt Keith ( DH and PH and PR only) Rogers  Perez

Batting order 

McGonigle- Greene- Dingler- Torrres (second lead off) - Carpenter - Tork -Baez - Verling - Meadows

The above gives us our best defense and maximizes what little power we have. 

I don't trust Colt Keith in the field and would look to trade him and if not convert him to the outfield next off season and spring training. He plays really tight so maybe a position change will help. He is still young. 

 

Since you were complaining about the lineup Hinch was running out there last night, I thought you were talking about the actual team in the dugout now., so that’s what I was asking about. I don’t have a big quarrel with your proposed lineup, but we haven’t had the dream team you’re referring to here literally all season. If your complaint was about last night’s lineup and Hinch’s penchant for moving players around on this particular team, do you have a set nine guys in positions for them?

Edited 10 hours ago by chasfh

[casimir]

13 hours ago, theroundsquare said:

is it me or are they green and orange?  i like the swirly B.  bmore sounds like a dumb ass slogan from some first lady or something 

Some shade of green/black.  I wonder what they look like in the sunlight.  Probably still horrible, although it’s the BMORE that really makes it fugly.

[casimir]

13 hours ago, theroundsquare said:

they should say 'charm city' on the jersey.  wtf

Charm City with a picture of Earl Weaver in there.  How did they miss that opportunity?

Edited 10 hours ago by casimir

[kdog]

I'm invested in how the pitching staff evolves for next year. You will get Melton back tomorrow then Jobe in a few months. We need to see them prove that they are durable and can be counted out after the lockout.

Once they get healthy on offense, they have to completely churn the middle and back end of the roster. That includes Tork, Perez, McKinstry, etc. It's time to punish people who are not performing to even their middling standard.

[monkeytargets39]

Right now you just go:

C- Ding

1B- Tork

2B- Lee

SS- McGonigle

3B- Keith

LF- Greene

CF- Vierling

RF- McStinky

DH- whomever Hinch wants to for matchup purposes/or Dingler when he needs a rest from the field.  Probably Jones vs LHP and Workman vs RHP

 

If by some miracle we have the lead in the 8th or 9th, then you can swap out Keith defensively for McGonigle and put Short in at SS. 

Edited 9 hours ago by monkeytargets39

[monkeytargets39]

24 minutes ago, casimir said:

Charm City with a picture of Earl Weaver in there.  How did they miss that opportunity?

And with that unique state flag you can do all kinds of stuff with the sleeves/hat/etc

[SoCalTiger]

2 hours ago, chasfh said:

Since you were complaining about the lineup Hinch was running out there last night, I thought you were talking about the actual team in the dugout now., so that’s what I was asking about. I don’t have a big quarrel with your proposed lineup, but we haven’t had the dream team you’re referring to here literally all season. If your complaint was about last night’s lineup and Hinch’s penchant for moving players around on this particular team, do you have a set nine guys in positions for them?

I was talking in general terms but with the team Hinch has now it really doesn't matter but I would play Lee everyday at second base and Verling  in center for evaluation purposes to at least see if they can be useful in the future. That and batting McGonigle- Greene-Dingler 1-2-3 and the rest is a coin flip. I have a feeling McKinstry is playing hurt and can't play shortstop so if that's the case then McGonigle must play shortstop which at least does have some evaluation benefit but I see him as third baseman. 

[SoCalTiger]

3 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

You and Hinch both. He has appeared in 47 games this season, has only 17 complete games - he either went in as or was lifted for a pinch hitter in 30 times in 47 games. That's quite the indictment of either the player or the team that spent to buy out his arb years. Or just a manager under so much pressure to win he's doesn't care about player development any more.

But this relates to a previous discussion. Keith once had a lot of trade value, today he has about none. Either their evaluation of him when they extended him was just wrong, or they've messed up his development - either way, he was a high value asset as a prospect/rookie and as of today that value is largely squandered. He needed to either be traded or made into a good player.

That's an example of an organizational fail. So no org will win 'em all, but the more you lose the tougher it is.

Colt Keith is a HUGE failure of this organization. I see a robot instead of an athlete and that's why I think he is pressing. the outfield makes sense to me since he can run , the arm will be lacking  but it's a better compromise than his terrible infield play. Maybe left field with Greene moving to first as you mentioned ? 

[chasfh]

49 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

I was talking in general terms but with the team Hinch has now it really doesn't matter but I would play Lee everyday at second base and Verling  in center for evaluation purposes to at least see if they can be useful in the future. That and batting McGonigle- Greene-Dingler 1-2-3 and the rest is a coin flip. I have a feeling McKinstry is playing hurt and can't play shortstop so if that's the case then McGonigle must play shortstop which at least does have some evaluation benefit but I see him as third baseman. 

Hao-Yu Lee projects as a third basemen since the low minors, so shoehorning him into second base permanently just so he can learn it is probably a losing proposition for both sides.

We could force Vierling into center for lack of a clearly better option, and he does have the range for it, but he has a noodle for a wing and accuracy issues to boot, and you don't want your everyday CF  to have the worst arm in the league, necessarily.

There are no good answers, I don't think.

[gehringer_2]

31 minutes ago, chasfh said:

you don't want your everyday CF  to have the worst arm in the league, necessarily.

No, you save that for your left fielder....

[casimir]

3 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

And with that unique state flag you can do all kinds of stuff with the sleeves/hat/etc

That’s an interesting concept.  Create the sleeves to mimic the Maryland flag, maybe using orange in place of the red and yellow?  I generally prefer simple, but a tie in to the state flag seems unique for a one team in the state team.

[casimir]

Howzabout a merging of an Earl Weaver cursing head inside of a circled CHARM CITY with a voice cloud coming from his mouth and the Maryland flag replacing ####! for the obscenity coming out of his mouth?

[SoCalTiger]

5 hours ago, chasfh said:

Hao-Yu Lee projects as a third basemen since the low minors, so shoehorning him into second base permanently just so he can learn it is probably a losing proposition for both sides.

We could force Vierling into center for lack of a clearly better option, and he does have the range for it, but he has a noodle for a wing and accuracy issues to boot, and you don't want your everyday CF  to have the worst arm in the league, necessarily.

There are no good answers, I don't think.

Yes I think you are right. It’s a mess