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For a front office that is so tough to deal with, they sure made a lot of trades (8) with several different teams (7) leading up to the deadline.

I’m disinterested in the opinions of the industrial sports media complex (to borrow and redefine a concept from President Eisenhower). It thrives on splash, attitude, big money, big stars, big talk… etc., etc.. It’s impatient and doing anything based on process that requires time to evolve is inimical to their model. That doesn’t mean I’m happy with what happened regarding the Tigers today. I’m not but I get it. They’re doing things differently. On purpose. I guess now we’ll see how it pans out.

You don’t build a team for the playoffs. They have a huge division lead. Don’t sacrifice to build on that. If you can’t win the division this year with what you have won to this point then that itself is a reason going “all in” would be a mistake. One player doesn’t prevent a massive slump. This org and players have been at the highest performance over the last calendar year. They have earned the benefit of the doubt. I have no beef with today. People get caught upon the adrenaline and breaking news and psychologically feel left out and assume something is wrong. I like that the org isn’t holding to some idea of a “window” like they did 10 years ago because we had a dying Ilitch and Cabrera and Verlanders careers to worry about. We don’t have to win now because of Skubal. Give us a system that contends every year and let the pieces fall where they do.

ESPN considers us one of the losers of the trade deadline. which means we had a solid deadline.

Phillies should have added more at the deadline, clearly

Hey, this is a game thread not a political thread.

There's, very correctly, a ton of concern coming out of this about Trump cooking and / or juking the numbers to make things look good for his political concerns (I'll leave those for the other thread), but the reality is that businesses need reliable data in order to make decisions that are in their strategic/fiduciary best interests. Trump, by doing this, is basically undermining the basis of the data going forward. Just adds yet another level of uncertainty to an environment that he's already injected a bunch of uncertainty into.

No, because it's not baseball. I am interested in watching a baseball game, not a home run hitting contest. How about two extra innings and if it's still tied, then do the free base runner thing. There aren't that many games that would go longer than 11 innings and my goal is to have as many real baseball games as possible.

I am not especially thrilled with what they got at the deadline, but I don't know what it would have cost to obtain more impactful players. I don't think they significantly impoved their chances of going all the way this year, but how do you do that? There was no urgent need because they have such a big lead and the teams in back of them aren't really trying to win. I think the post-season is mostly a crapshoot, so I am not in favor of selling the farm just for what might turn out to be one series.

Starting today, the goal is to get a bye in the wild card round, and make sure that Skubal is rested and healthy for game 1 of the playoffs.

If there is a site these days that is going to cherry pick stats between Fangraphs, Baseball Reference, or the corpse of Sports Illustrated, I know which one I am going to be suspicious of.

If it was really only about losing money, wouldn’t they have axed him immediately, instead of continuing to lose money for another nine months?

Now that the dust has settled overnight, the take away is that the people running this club really believe in the process they have set in motion, that the successes they’ve gained are not incidental, and that they’re not sacrificing the future for short term gains to please either low information fans or the many existing versions of the sports commentariat whether it be corporate or more casual. Other teams didn’t want to do the Detroit Tigers any favors, they were prepared for this, and the Tigers didn’t blink.

Batting average, RBI and home runs?

Fans get caught up in the emotions but Harris is paid not to. He has to evaluate who WILL be good. We all know who HAS been good and that's what fans focus on. All of us here know performance in April doesn't mean anything in October. Let's use Suarez as an example. Great power numbers in the first half. Does that mean he's worth the price the Tigers have to pay for his second half performance at Comerica park? Harris didn't think so and I think he's right. Without the power numbers, Suarez is a poor fielder and Detroit has multiple options at third who could provide value at that position.

I am happy with this trade deadline "haul" and retaining our core prospects. But I value "success" by having a large percentage of the season , April thru October, as being relevant rather than just rings. Baseball is a very long season and having experienced so many without hope and so few with titles I appreciate the measured approach. Winning at the MLB level and watching players progress from draft to Detroit is enjoyable for me. I remember Harris stating something very similar during his opening press conference after being hired. It's when I knew we had the right guy.

Some insight from Harris.

I like what Harris is doing in general, and we misunderstand him if we think he is undertaking this mission in Detroit as anything less than a vocation and a challenge to do something great where it’s not expected. If he were interested only in fame and money, he probably wouldn’t have come to Detroit and to an organization so long struggling. People who think he’s some kind of pris who will flee to the highest bidder for wine and cheese parties elsewhere really underestimate his seriousness. He’s not done yet and he proved that today whether any of us like the way he did it or not. It’s a privilege to have a front row seat in this unexpected spectacle that began to reap dividends after the deadline last year.

Jack is pitching a good game.

Jones hustling to beat out that DP may turn out to be a huge play.

Happy Gleyday!

micro dosing tonight?

We don't bring up politics in the sports forum just for this reason. Personal attacks are never warranted. But yeah, you sound like a typical MAGA racist. So....go F yourself. 😅

The link below is specific to the year 2023. It is specific to deaths recorded as murders. This information is recorded by individual counties, not cities. Philly recorded a higher number of deaths than did Detroit in 2023. Interesting link: https://usafacts.org/articles/which-cities-have-the-highest-murder-rates/ Not being a Detroit or Michigan native, it has been my impression that Detroit has rebounded considerably from the 2008-2009 financial crisis. We now return you to your regular game day thread discussion.

I was just going to post something similar.

Difficult to deal with aka stuck with their valuations of their players and those on the block, and didn't budge. Sounds like the same execs that complained last year about the Flaherty trade. I think, given the last year and the overall results of the team and farm, Harris would have earned some trust from this fan base. They had a plan and executed on that plan. It reminds me of the draft where they selected players who may not have had the circuit track record of others but they saw something they liked and went with it. I am good with that. Finding an edge or what you believe is an edge and going with it. It may not work, but I like the creativity. Overall I would have preferred other players but it sounds like Pirates wanted Briceno for Bednar which I just wouldn't do either and I am guessing other teams were also asking for similar from us.

I encountered homeless pretty much every day when I worked in Boston. In eleven years, they never behaved aggressively or in a threatening way. They would ask for money and then usually say "God bless" whether I gave them anything or not.

She is a convicted sex trafficker. How ****ing dare they make her life easier. A jury heard evidence and convicted her of multiple counts of criminal behavior. Every damn day my anger level just skyrockets.

Plus they came out during the 70s, a decade which sexualized underage girls to a frightening and unprecedented degree. It was actually the Brooke Shields documentary from a few years ago from which I learned why that actually happened.

Did you see a lot of hillbillies in Louisville?

On another topic... how many of the people blocking release of the Epstein files, and bending over backwards to support a certain person were campaigning to 'restore dignity and honor to the White House' in 2000?

We are living through the footballization of all sports programming. Everything is being reduced to Cub Scout virility rites re-imagined as combat between “real men,” and an appreciation for the graceful nuances of the game are trivialized to base spectacles because that’s what “the public” wants, allegedly.

I absolutely destroyed the Phillies in my MLB The Show play of this series. Their stadium is a 1/8 sized model of a phone booth.

"here to stay" -- in Toledo -- maybe not so good

no one knows; one way to address the uncertainty is to bring in 6 more arms and hope a larger pool of candidate = an increased number of effective pitchers

1.) Those are massive revisions downard 2.) No wonder Americans have bad vibes about the economy

hard pass on that. you know who people liked dealing with? Idiot trader Al Avila. One reason Harris is not well liked is that he has literally won almost every Tigers trade he has made, and people are pissed he did not settle for less, or will not give up prospects who other teams really want.

Not allowed in this forum. 🙂

I agree to an extent. But having a stocked minor league system isn't just to bring guys to Detroit, it's also to use for trades. How many middle infield prospects does a team need? Or outfielder prospects? We'll never carry 4 2nd basement. Or 7 outfield minor league prospects. OTOH, I'm pleased we didn't trade our top prospects.

Funny after all of our struggles with El Mago it's Carlos Correa the salary dump.

I'm disappointed, but not pissed as some are. Seeing Morton's numbers in context makes me feel better about the deadline moves. Two solid starters and a solid BP arm isn't nothing, but I'd have preferred a higher end reliever in the mix.

Im not saying Charlie Morton is old, it's just his first baseball card came with a pack of Lucky Strikes. 🤣

This is just the kind of thing I went to look up. Morton has pitched at least five innings in 10 of his last 11 games, and has given up more than three runs in only two of those games. Pitcher wins don’t mean anything, of course, but for what it’s worth, he is 7–1 during that stretch with a 3.88 ERA and almost exactly 9 K/9. I’m pretty sure we got him to start and not for anything like long relief. If anyone is a odd man out, it’s probably going to be Melton, at least until Morton shows he doesn’t have it anymore. And now I want to know what Morton’s Statcast card looks like during that stretch, versus the season-long card we see on the Savant site.

I don't get the criticism here. Not counting Dobnak (that was a pure salary dump to balance the trade), the Tigers have added five pitchers to the mix. When your depth is ravaged*, that's a good thing. I much prefer that to putting all your eggs in one basket. And we are criticizing them for not giving up enough? I'm trying to figure that one out.

Just win, baby

Yep...like Mickey Tettleton back in the 90's. Advanced stats weren't much of a thing back then so his OBP and good power numbers didn't get the respect they deserved

Exactly!

At least right now it looks like Liranzo is sticking behind the plate. That would be my guess on why he’s rated higher.