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Some team will take a flyer on him. I would expect almost nothing in return... but again... Some team will take a flyer on him. It happens every year.

I wouldn't want to trade a strength into a weakness. But we already have Turnbull, who I think is not wanted in Detroit. He already is a starting pitcher trade probability. There is almost no free agent bats worthwhile to sign this year. Matt Chapman (who is too old/ will be too expensive/ and command too many years/ and Harris has already stated that he will NOT sign a FA that blocks any of these kids); and Lee Hung-Soo, ands that's about it. Other than those two, we shouldn't throw good money at crappy bats, IMO. But rather, spend good money on good pitching, and look to add bats using alternative methods, IMO. I don't even believe that we need to add any bats. I want to see what the kids do first, including in the field, before making any decisions. I mean... it makes sense to me to do that. If we sign FA pitching, that adds to our depth. I did not say that we MUST trade starting pitching; what I stated is that I believe teams will all be "banging on our door" for our pitching. I don't pretend to know the answers on how to approach this; I would leave that up to Harris to decide on whether to pull the trigger, or not, and for what. I'm just sayin'... I think teams will be banging on our doors. If that revives the Dodgers or any other trade, and that means sending out Lange, Turnbull, Manning, or any combination of pitchers on our roster and any other parts that are required in a trade... it wouldn't be unexpected by me. We have tradable assets: lots of controllable young talent. If a trade comes down this offseason, I won't be surprised. Just sayin'...

I never said we had an excess of pitching. I said other teams will PERCEIVE us to have an excess, and try to take advantage. Last point/ question: What do we do with Spencer Turnbull?

Which means it would be a futures trade, on both sides... Any team trading for a Skubal or Manning or Turnbull or whomever is betting that they can get a higher level of performance out of that player. Either by betting on better health, or refining a pitch or two, or whatever... The reason I believe our starters will be in demand is that I think other teams will look at our rotation and come to the conclusion that we have an excess of starting, young, controllable pitchers. Young, controllable, starters have value. Not Soto or Tatis value (unless part of a much larger package...); but individually, tradeable value. But.. that value will also be for futures IMO such as a blocked AA or AAA guy, plus younger "tickets". Any team looking at the Tigers is going to be interested in our pitching because they'll see an excess and try to take advantage of that. Let's say a team simply wants an Olson or a Gipson-Long or Brieske or Faedo, to fill the back end of their rotation... what would they offer for that? A blocked AAA 3B'man? And... if we were to sign a veteran, Yamamoto or anyone else... that just adds to that perception. IMO.

So take some reading and comprehension classes since you seem to be unable to distinguish these differences.

Walker has already shown himself to be a crappy 3B'man, which is why he's playing the OF. If you're trading for him for the OF, maybe... But if this trade is only to solve our 3B issue, Walker is a WORSE option than Keith or Jung.

Baddoo, Malloy & Carpenter may have a good chance at time in the OF early in the season as Greene works his way back (not counting if Harris makes a big trade for an OF'er or signs someone like Lee Jung-Hoo...). But by midseason as Greene gets back out onto the OF... Baddoo might be the first casualty... but I think 2nd is that Malloy spends a lot of time at DH. Moreso than Carpenter as I think he will be holding on to RF for awhile, and not so much DH. But... we'll see.

I don't know about that... Trump and his fascist ****wad followers have **** all over beefy rules of law and puny norms equally.

Early offseason prediction: Our starters... almost all of them... will be HOT Commodities, even with the available FA's floating around. So I'll predict at least one of our starters gets traded for something Harris wants on this team. My guess is it's more Manning than Skubal... but I'm not willing to take a firm position on any of those guys. I think it could be anybody... Just a guess.

It's not a ridiculous process if a Party has all of its heads on straight. Which has been 100% true the past 230 years. Until this year and the Republican Party.

Dems hold the Ace-in-the-Hole: https://www.yahoo.com/news/top-house-republican-wants-help-194848280.html The ability to actually get a Speaker elected. "Come talk to us, Republicans."

Maxx Crosby is a LB'er, not a DE... that's why I'd be more open to adding him. He's explosive and dominating and a game-changer... I would absolutely consider adding him as long as the cost is not outrageous... But yes, CB is a higher priority due to need. Also... back to the edge... if the right guy is available at the right price, I would NOT say no. I think Montez Sweat is that guy. Other depth guys to think about: a vet WR like DJ Chark. Might be better depth than Jones so that's the thought. A depth O-Lineman if Holmes/ Campbell felt there was a need. Probably not, just sayin'... And always on the lookout for RB depth because health is always precarious there...

Yes... for the following reasons: And I think Shinzaki is correct that Raymond or similar might also need to be included. My overall reasoning is that I am loathe to trade away skillsets that the Org is deficient on. I am certainly willing to trade excess, and the excess can even be a "better" talent... I also noticed you included Kasper, not Danielson. Isn't Danielson going to be the guy the Canucks demand in trade for Elias? Not Kasper? So... my quibbles with this trade are: 1) I expect Raymond to go through a huge upswing. Too young, too early in the NHL to know what his top level could be; which means we'd be selling low. If Shinzaki is correct and it must include Raymond I say no, not because Raymond is better than Elias... but that he could reach a point/ game, or even better, and we would have given him away prematurely. I guess that's the point of the trade from the Canucks point-of-view, the upside. But I'm loathe to give up on guys too early; I just think it's really dumb to do that. It would have to be someone else that we send to the Canucks, not Raymond. Someone that looks maxed out but is still young enough with talent that the Canucks want and Stevie is OK with losing... I'm guessing, but I think Stevie also says a hard NO if it's Raymond. 2) Danielson is showing better than Kasper, but just as importantly, is a RH'd Center that we have zero depth with. If we have 15 LH'ed Centerman in the Org, and 2 RH'ed - I know they're all at different talent levels/ ages, etc... - then I'm not trading Danielson. It has to be Kasper, per your suggestion. 3) Same thing with Pellikka... It's not that we don't have any RH'ed Defenseman in the Org, we do... But no one with the explosive offense/skillset that Pellikka has. That's the rarity that I just can NOT give up. I'm a hard no on Pellikka. I'd rather give them TWO defenseman, their choice of Wallinder, Johansson, Johansson, Tuomisto, Viro, Buium, Gibson, etc... The draft pick I don't care about... but not a 1st... that seems to be a bit too much...

+1 on that. I'm also in the 90 point range just missing the playoffs. But I would love to be pleasantly surprised if they could squeak in... Too many young players I'm interested in to just list one... I'd like to see Veleno take a step up. I also think he has a huge chance even on the 4th line with Kostin & Fischer. But also Raymond in a big way, and especially Seider. I want to see Seider join the Top 5 Norris consideration ranks. I even want to see Larkin step up to well over a point per game just because I believe we have more weapons on the 1st line to get him there. Speaking of which: I want to see DeBrincat get back to 40+ goals. And Edvinsson come up before midseason and play so well that he doesn't get sent back to GR. Instead, forcing a deadline trade, of... Chiarot? (One can dream of dumping albatrosses into the Pacific... yes?) The rest of the young guys, even if they don't play a lot in Detroit, are all in GR and that's a long list of players I'd like to see take big steps forward so they are at least pushing on the doors of a Detroit callup... I'll leave it at that for now.

Thank you for that. It's been so long that I lived under those rules that some of the finer details were a bit rusty for me...

I have no interest whatsoever in living in a Theocratic Dictatorship. Those Christians can go **** themselves. And if they don't like it, deport them to Saudi Arabia or Iran so they can give us a report on what it's like to live under one...

Neither. I am ALL-KNOWING... and... the bar really is pretty freaking low...

Correct. I understand that.

Both. They are a military force in Gaza that holds all the power. But they're a terrorist group that uses vile, unspeakable, terrorist methods to try and wipe out the State of Israel... their stated mission.

At this point it's Scalise. He has the nomination. But obviously that may evolve if they stick to partisan which will show that anyone nominated by the Pubs will NOT be elected as Speaker... if they stick to partisan. The more it devolves... and the longer... the more the pressure will increase on the Pubs to quit F'ing around and resolve the Speakership. I'm not certain it will be Scalise... so I don't have an answer as to the final "whom" might be. It might even be McCarthy...

Probably. It will look different, with naval assets involved. The big question to me is what happens if Iran ends up holding a smoking gun? THEN our involvement may look VERY different.

Which actually makes another argument... All these kids are still improving. It doesn't mean growth is linear or there won't be setbacks or disappointments... But on the whole... a team of youngsters tends to improve, overall. I'm not even going to count Carpenter because he may have been found out by pitchers and will regress in 2024... we'll see how that works out. But I expect the 2024 version to be better than the 2023 version for: Maton, 26 (I think he'll play more in '24 and will play better than in '23... just a guess) Greene, 23 Torkelson, 24 Meadows, 23 (will get a full season to prove what he can do) Skubal, 26 Manning, 25 Mize, 26 Lipcius, 25

Adding crap players doesn't turn them into a contender either.

Oh... You know... I should read entire messages and stop jumping to conclusions halfway through...

Scalise won the Republican nomination over Jordan 113-99. But I don't think it's been brought to a floor vote yet; and Scalise still needs 217 votes to actually get the Speakership. Now: How does he get from 113 to 217? That's the trick.