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I thought that was SS and he was fine at 2B. I could be wrong though... I believe he has superior range over most of these other guys... glove/ hands/ pivot/ arm all come into play as well... So I don't know the answer to that to be honest...

Jung is going to make a hard push to open up with Detroit. I don't know if he's ready... but we'll see in ST. If he is, then both Keith and Jung will play a lot (not bench material guys) one of them at 2B and the other at 3B. Take your pick at which position. If he's not ready and is at Toledo, then it's just Keith. So, if he can hold 3B and we're looking at 2B as you've outlined above... I think you just started the 2B'man list for next year. Add in Maton, Wenceel (they'll give him a look), and also Jung as, even if he doesn't open in Detroit I believe he'll still be seeing time in Detroit... sooner or later. 2B could be a pretty busy turnstile next year... I'm just sayin'...

Garbage in, Garbage Out. Bush relied on garbage information. To make a garbage (ASININE, ILLEGAL, and BS, invasion of Iraq) decision.

They relied on an ex-Iraqi for all of that misinformation. Ex as in multiple years and... nebulous connections to any of the current (at that time) actual Iraqi intelligence. Yeah, that looks beyond ridiculous. But accurate and... they did.

1) This I agree with. 2) I also agree with this. And I would add: health at key positions. And learning curves (and health) from rookies who are playing key parts in the Lions season this year: And that includes Branch & Campbell, as well as Gibbs, Jamo (essentially a rookie), and LaPorta. Further, maybe this time next year, with just growth from our existing players, rookies and all (and pretending that we have zero players adds/ minuses from now till then): I think we also play much better. 1 Year additional experience playing at a higher level and against top=level teams. We'll have a 1st place schedule next year instead of an easy one this year. Health (maybe). And second year of experience for all of the above-mentioned. And even add in Brodric Martin who they're trying to mold into a monster DT (super-raw right now from team reports) and we have absolutely no clue how that will turn out... So yeah, I think next year results are different from this years results (better, IMO). I'm eager and brainstorming and scheming right now though... how to get the Lions to that upper echelon level, versus their very very good but not with the top dawgs level it looks like they're in right now... Just me 2 cents.

It is. Our defense can't hold a candle to theirs or the 49'ers. This isn't some hidden secret. It's just a fact, and a known fact by anyone who follows football. And you're still giving ZERO credit to Lamar Jackson. Why?

Word!

This part I disagree with. It just seems funny to me how everyone is giving ZERO credit to Lamar Jackson, John Harbaugh, their defense... and relying on "we only needed to execute better" as the reason...

The 2023 Ravens: With Lamar Jackson. And a new offense, that appears everyone on their team actually figured out how to run it, yesterday. And the NFL's #2 defense (as of yesterday). And #1 pass-rush (as of yesterday). Will show us the rest of this season whether or not they are an unstoppable juggernaut. I won't make anymore comparisons until after the end of the season until we see where that ends up...

So we have to find similar level playmakers elsewhere. I agree with Tater on Jalen Carter, but I still like who we drafted, and it wasn't just Gibbs. But yeah, a Carter, a Surtain and a Crosby, or close-enough facsimile's... would do this defense wonders. Happy hunting Holmes...!

Suh is a still available FA. Reach out to him? ?!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!

1) Coaches don't execute, players do. 2) Maybe. Maybe the coaches tried to prepare the team and the players just fell apart and didn't execute, despite the preparation. I don't know the answer to this so I don't want to speculate players versus coaches culpability... 3) Feel free to disagree. But I disagree with your disagreement. I don't think execution gets the Lions any closer to beating the Ravens. The Ravens were simply the superior team - talent-wise - and it showed. Maybe execution helps, a little bit. But the Lions were completely demolished by the Ravens. That's more than just "execution". 4) That's where I'd like the Lions to get to. Or at least a close enough facsimile to grab a Super Bowl or two...

No... economic headwinds are going to soon have the Fed either pausing, or dropping rates a little bit. Hence: The 10 year benchmark will stop rising.

No, not good teams. Super Bowl teams like the 1991 Redskins. I think the Lions have a damn fine team. They'll make the playoffs and win a game or two. But I don't think we're in the highest, top, Super Bowl contender tier just yet. My question is: how do we get there so that we are not the 1991 Lions? Or at least advance PAST the 1991 Lions, if not this year, then next year. I don't think preparing and executing a game plan beats the Ravens. I think we need 100% health on the O-line, Montgomery, and Gibbs/ Jamo/ LaPorta operating at 100% (and not going through rookie learning curves) to beat the Ravens. And at least two more upper echelon defensive playmakers, to beat the Ravens. Oh, and yes, execution of a great game plan, as well. IMO. This is like, the 10th time, that I've stated exactly the same thing.

Note for the future: It's only two games, but Cossa has a .947 save %. If he's the real deal... then he could very well be the superstar type that elevates this team above most others, and gives the Wings a serious shot at a Stanley Cup. I know it's too early on Cossa... but just thinking out loud. Add some up and coming defenseman, and a nice looking Centerman (Danielson), and some other complimentary players and, while we may not have the superstar(s) that other upper echelon teams have, I think we can be just as good... Especially if Cossa turns into something special.

It was also a deep play so not what you are asking about, just pointing out it wasn't strictly sideline. But I definitely agree with you though. I don't know if it's timing (Jamo is faster than anyone else so Goff has to time his throws faster than normal), or hands (seen several Jamo drops), concentration, or whatever... But those quick hitters in between the hashmarks with crossing patterns and/or anything else that can free up Jamo... should be allowing for middle of the field explosive plays/ YAC/ etc... I think this is mostly on Jamo though, from the looks of it. I think the play calling will follow how far Jamo improves: hands/ head/ concentration/ timing/ whatever...

His TD last week was deep center. Or at least center-right of the field... not sideline.

I think Jimbo both answered Red's question and spoke to the weakness on offense: Gibbs is not playing more because he doesn't pass-block very well. That counts. He'll probably improve, but he's not there yet. So yes, we miss Monty not just for hard running but also for pass-blocking and against the Ravens, again, that counted. Also, we had a Practice Squad player at LG, and Glasgow at RG. Glasgow is a nice guard, especially as he can be a backup for both guard and center positions. No slight on him. But I saw several Ravens pass rushers coming through the right side of the line, right through Glasgow. Not having Vatai and Jonah, against the Ravens, hurts. There's no panic attack here. It's simply, how can we match up against the top tier teams? On offense, we need to be fully healthy, and we need Gibbs and Jamo and LaPorta to get through their rookie jitters and up to 100% speed. We need them, IMO. To match up with the best. On defense, I think we need to upper echelon playmakers. 1 shutdown CB (dreamin' of Surtain...), and one "Closer" pass-rusher. Someone who outclasses most O-Lineman and actually gets to the QB faster than anyone we have. (Dreamin' of Maxx Crosby...). Since we're (I am) dreaming if we think we can get Surtain and/or Crosby... how do we get something just like them? Because to match up with the top tier (again, no panic attack here); IMO, we need a couple more top-level playmakers on defense. These aren't overreactions. They are simple facts.

Steelers: The Ravens receivers had so many drops they lost count. Colts: Brand new offense for the Ravens and it'll take several games for them to really get the hang of it. Unlucky for us, their receivers did NOT have the dropsies against the Lions, and they are really figuring out this new offense for Lamar Jackson by now... obviously. And their defense is #2 in the NFL this year, right behind the 49'ers. They are #1 in sacks this year in the NFL. That doesn't change just because they play the Lions. Also, instead of our starting Guards: Vatai and Jonah Jackson, which might have helped on the interior in all phases; we had backups Glasgow and Kayode Awosika (off the Practice Squad!!!)... Against the #1 pass-rushing and #2 defense in the NFL. Three guesses on how that's going to turn out...?

PS: Larkin becomes a better player with more explosive wingers (see above)...

DeBrincat & Larkin are now #1 and 2 in points with 12 and 11 in 6 games each, respectively. DeBrincat #1 in goals with 8 in 6. Everyone else is 6 or lower...

Well... After 3 assists tonight he has 5 points in 6 games. But I think Larkin & DeBrinc are hogging all the points.

Nope. Walman and then DeBrincat just SCOOOORE!!! (Hat trick for DeBrinc). 6-2 Wings.

So far... So good...

Go Veleno!!! Damn! (Thank you Chiarot... for the shot, Veleno's goal, and for not being -30 so far this year...)