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  1. 1984Echoes
    I may be wrong.. but I don't think these guys are immobile. I believe Stew is all over the court and is very... mobile. A poor man's Ben Wallace if you will. With slightly better offensive ability. Bagley and Duren and Wiseman are all very athletic and mobile. I don't think Bagley will ever get it. He is what he is so he's not a good defender. Duren and Wiseman are young, athletic, and fast... and could turn into Rasheed Wallace's. Will they? Wiseman's shortcoming's are basketball IQ (which could simply be a product of a lack of playing time from COVID, injury, 3 college games, etc.), a steep learning curve, not much defense, and a need for lots of playing time to get through all the aforementioned issues. Duren seems like he has less obstacles to become a good defender. Will this all work? Especially with Wiseman and Duren needing to develop (IMO Wiseman will be the Center coming off the bench for the rest of this season and... only if he improves defense, IQ, and 3-point range will he overtake starting Center position. If Duren is pushed over to PF by Wiseman (and becomes - Shawn Kemp (of course!!!)), I'm fine with that. Bagley can be the Center off the bench and Stew can be the PF/ energy guy off the bench... No idea. But Weaver fired by next season if they aren't a play-in...? Ridiculous. Not going to happen.
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    All they need to do is keep the picks that they sent for Payton, and Kevin Knox. That seems fair...
  3. 1984Echoes
    Or pushed to the bench.
  4. 1984Echoes
    I'm going to concur with NYLion. These guys are just... young. Including Wiseman. I don't feel anything crucial here... except patience.
  5. 1984Echoes
    How much criticism does Weaver get for not correctly identifying Haliburton versus Killian? But also... how many in here were higher on Haliburton versus Killian? I don't remember... I think I was higher on Hali but I wasn't vocal about it at all. It was probably marginal at best... and at that point for me it was "trust in Weaver" anyways.
  6. 1984Echoes
    That's what I want for dinner! Shrimp & Eggplant in Garlic sauce, an order of fried pork dumplings and... hmmm... an egg roll or a shrimp roll...? Hmmm....
  7. 1984Echoes
    I see you hedged on that too because you used both "has" more potential than Duren as well as "had?" more potential than Duren.
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    I hedged on that because of the past few years... And on the defensive end, I'm not so certain about that. On O, yes... but big picture... he's got a lot to prove... and a long ways to improve. Room for growth... but the growth curve is steep for him.
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    Which... MIGHT be cured with playing time. Since it was close to zero with GS... how was he supposed to improve? The Pistons can have him come off the bench and live with all his mistakes while they try to coach him up. No guarantee it works but... Detroit's in a great spot to give him the chance/ playing time to try and get better.
  10. 1984Echoes
    Just a guess...
  11. 1984Echoes
    Wiseman's upside is higher than Bagley's or Stew's, that's why. He's more athletic, and a much higher offensive threat. Prediction: Wiseman becomes the best 3-point shooter of these 4 bigs, and averages 35% (not this year and maybe not next year... but starting from age 23 through 33-ish...). His floor time will be dependent on his defense though. Which apparently sucks bigly. But I think he becomes a better defender than Bagley (not hard), and gets up to a tad below Duren (what Duren will become). Not elite... but more like a Turner in that he's a shot-blocker but not a great one-on-one defender.
  12. 1984Echoes
    Brilliant.
  13. 1984Echoes
    Yeah, whatever.
  14. 1984Echoes
    No... I think the opposite will be decided by the market... That he ends up with the Lions.
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    So do we want one of the Thompson brothers who are uber athletic (if we fall in the 3 to 5 range), look like hound dogs on defense... but aren't great jump-shooters... Or Miller, who can shoot the lights out (it looks like from anywhere although I haven't checked shot charts) but is only average athletic and is currently questionable on defense (not certain how much/ if that could improve)...?
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    I don't think Jamaal will get huge offers based specifically on the issues mentioned above. I think he will be completely affordable/ available to the Lions for a 2 or 3-year contract.
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    Or he knows that he can't get the best coach out there to get us wins in the playoffs as long as we are still a crappy team. Once they make some strides into the playoffs, maybe he can get us a superb coach that gets us farther in the playoffs than Casey ever could...
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    The only point I would disagree with is this one, I think even if we fall to 3-4-5 that there are 3 significant players who have skill-sets that we are missing and therefore also give us a huge boost. I don't want to agree that we'll struggle next year. Any of the top 5 players in this draft help this team immensely.
  19. 1984Echoes
    The other issue is he's been injured so much. We hope he can get past all the injuries and get onto the floor enough to develop properly...
  20. 1984Echoes
    Just a WAG here.... But guessing that Weaver believes Wiseman can turn into a Myles Turner 2.0? If he does that/ is capable of doing that... I'm on board.
  21. 1984Echoes
    Stew and Bagley both need to be pushed permanently to PF.
  22. 1984Echoes
    No, I don't think so. It will be Swift or a draft pick (if it's top 3 rounds); just like it should have been in 2022. I don't think they intended Williams to be a feature back in this offense in 2022... he just got pushed into it. But he wasn't ideal. And I don't believe they count on it, in that way, in 2023. It will be Jamaal/ Swift as a thunder & lightning combo again, as it should be. No feature back. So draft-wise, I want another back that can step in as a #1A or 1B with Jamaal, if/ when Swift goes down again. Not to repeat myself but, I don't want a Riddick-type until we have a healthy enough situation at the top where we can start looking at unique weapons like a Riddick...
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    So Bey was #3?
  24. 1984Echoes
    So I'm going to switch this around... I am... 99% Certain that 1 of Bey/ Bojan/ Burks will be traded and only 50/50 that Noel will get traded... I just wanted to get that right....
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    I'm assuming on the court... ???????? They were desperate for some rebounding...?
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