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i dont see it. i'd rather get something for bert. it will be interesting to see if they call up vrana or leave him to rot in GR.

it is not ridiculous and it should happen. but youre right. it almost certainly will not. after all, tom gores is the owner.

all i've heard this week from the weaver apologists is that he's really good at drafting so we should trust him on wiseman. but is he? what evidence is there that he's good at drafting? hayes/bey/stewart has produced what? two average to below average nba rotation players and a point guard who has been borderline unplayable until recently when he's graduated to "poor starter, potential bench player". cade, who hasnt played enough to determine if he's going to be any good, but has shown some encouraging signs but some not so encouraging signs...and he was the #1 pick. and ivey/duren, who the jury is very much out on. i think his asset management has been extremely poor. theyre supposedly building up to this offseason with a bunch of salary cap money, but just spent a bunch of that on marvin bagley and james wiseman. we keep being told that this is all going to miraculously come together next year when we have all this money. we shall see. as del has said before, if the pistons arent play in candidates at the very least by next year weaver should be fired.

or that when you have a ton of immobile bigs, modern teams will shoot over you or drive around you, making those bigs unplayable. as an example, you can see the playoffs for the last five years or so.

then why do the pistons keep collecting them?

bert looks good again. now hurry up and trade him.

wiseman is much more skilled than drummond ever was. drummond was a 6'11 manchild. when all he was tasked to do was run, jump, and dunk, he was fine. it was when he got paid and then demanded to be a focal point on offense when he became ridiculous. then as the game changed he became a ridiculous albatross. but in the beginning he was more than fine.

drummond on a cheap salary in his early years was fine. it was when he got paid and demanded to be part of the offense that he turned intoba turd. iirc, you were all about drafting drummond. as we all were.

bad win.

30 points for our 19 year old center. i know! lets trade for multiple guys who play his position!!!!

lol.

that's a good point. i agree with you. wiseman obviously has upside that some (including me) are probably discounting because he's been so bad at every level so far. and honestly, its not like im watching his games. but i think this is the same situation with bagley and okafor (even bol bol). its weaver's obsession with big men in a time when big men are being de-emphasized in the game. and you already have one with upside. why do you need three?

you hear the troy weaver justifications already. "if weaver had him at the top of his board its a good gamble." ummm...what? that says more about weaver's board than it does james wiseman. bagley last year? mmmm....ok, i guess. taking a gamble on a guy who had some potential when you have nothing else at the big man position at the time. but since then you have....BAGLEY and DUREN! why are we using an asset to acquire another one? it wasnt a wiseman or bey decision. you could have dealt bey for something else if you didnt think he was a rotation player. and no one seems to be bringing up that if bey isnt a rotation player, why did troy trade multiple players and picks for him in the first place? and keith langlois is employed by the team, what do we expect him to say? im waiting for his article on tom gores' amazing vision for the team, coming next month.

hollinger: What’ so wild about Detroit acquiring Wiseman is that the Pistons already have a young, promising center from the University of Memphis. Jalen Duren is barely 19 — nearly three years younger than the “prospect” Detroit acquired — and is already a better player. You have your center of the future, Detroit! You don’t need another one! The other bizarre part is that the Pistons didn’t trade Alec Burks or Bojan Bogdanović, apparently eyeing a sharp move up the standings a year from now. Whatever you think of how realistic this approach is, the cognitive dissonance here is jarring. I’m sorry, but, “We’re trying to win next year,” and, “We traded Saddiq Bey for James Wiseman,” are not compatible statements. Even if Bey isn’t a long-term starter, he was much more likely to help next season, costs half as much and doesn’t overlap with two other good young players at the same position. Oh well. As long as Isaiah Stewart gets shoehorned into more minutes as a pretend four, I’m happy. Wiseman has shown some improvement in Golden State, but the basic issues of hands, awareness and feel are never really going away; most analytic methods still rate him among the league’s least effective players. For the rest of this season, at least, he’ll be an elite tank commander, but asking next season’s coaching staff (whomever it is) to win immediately will result in Wiseman on the end of the bench by Thanksgiving. In the meantime, if the Pistons weren’t keeping Bey, this was a major missed opportunity to get a return on a rotation-caliber young player with a good contract.

and weaver uses our cap space to sign him to a three year $45 million deal.

jamal gets what his offensive line gives him. he is strong and runs hard, butbhe has no wiggle and doesnt make people miss. swift is more talented than jamal. much more talented. swift made this offense so much better. they really complimented one another.

and the THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS from his first draft (that he dealt multiple picks and players to obtain) have developed into nba bench players with limited upside. this should be the last year of the rebuild. if they get victor or scoot, it should be. if they dont, it will be a struggle. they will have a mountain of cap space, lets see what they do with it.

ive been questioning weaver for a long time.

and traded a lot of assets to get there. now, the assets might not have been all that valuable, but they were assets. there's a lot of fool's gold in there. guys like bagley and wiseman who were top 2 picks so they appear to have value. but that was based on projection for 18 and 19 year olds. that projection doesnt always come to fruition and we're out here giving up legit nba players to take a chance on it. i agree with everybody that bey is nothing special, but he is still an nba player. and if he is nothing special, what does that say about weaver trading three second round picks and two solid nba rotation players for him in the first place? and we dont know what ELSE bey might have been able to get in a trade other than wiseman. same with stewart. love the hustle. love the muscle. everything else is blah. and we gave up a future first round pick to draft him. what's next? is it too late to trade stew for jabari parker? he's a tall #2 pick who was a bust. get on it troy! jabari probably still has some potential! probably not. the other team will likely ask for something way too valuable like rodney magruder or corey joseph. cant part with those guys.

running backs have an awfully short shelf life. especially guys who play like williams and take that punishment. otoh, i think holmes likes to reward guys like williams who are good locker room guys and fit into the team. so i suspect they will re-sign him. hopefully for something not much more than what they paid him this year.

lets remember, the pistons traded bruce brown and luke kennard AND three second round picks to get to draft bey in the first place. so now they've turned kennard, brown, bey, knox, and three second round picks into james wiseman. a failed big man who is about to get PAID if they want to keep him. the league has gone almost completely "position-less" and moved toward athletic wings who can shoot and we're trading all our assets (current and future) for big men who cant hit the broadside of a barn from 2 feet away. who is running this damn team? and you just saved the warriors like $80 million and you didnt get anything else for it? not even a useless second rounder in 2056? what a dumb team. ive rarely seen a team waste assets like this one. the only way this makes any sense is if weaver just wants to REALLY make sure he gets a top 2 pick this year. and if they get wembanyama, then what? ANOTHER big man? so we'll run killian hayes out there with cade (for the two weeks he's healthy) stewart, duren, and victor? or heck, how about victor, stew, duren, bagley and wiseman? joe dumars' wet dream of a lineup. nobody else will get a rebound! super bowl here we come!

can someone explain this trade to me? bey is nothing much. decent role player. but wiseman? WISEMAN? he's bad. he's lazy. he's hurt all the time. he plays a position the pistons have a plethora of players in already, including one of their most promising young players AND ANOTHER project big man they just signed to a big deal last year. speaking of which, bagley was also bad, lazy, and hurt all the time. is there a pattern here? someone please explain how weaver is a genius? maybe JEIII can do it in his usual kiss weaver's ass column?

riding a scooter? wtf dude.

there has to be more to the deal than just bey/knox for wiseman.

wiseman....duren....bagley.... is this joe dumars running this team? loading up on drummond/smith/monroe because the rest of the league is going small?