Gun Legislation, Crime, and Events

[Edman85]

12 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Umm it is being widely reported the shooter is in fact Trans….

All the more reason to not have half the country bully them then, isn't it?

[pfife]

Same ol ****

[GalagaGuy]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

Could be worse for those kids. At least they weren't exposed to any trans people.

Well except for the one that shot them.  

[Tigeraholic1]

3 hours ago, Edman85 said:

All the more reason to not have half the country bully them then, isn't it?

First make a joke about kids getting killed then condoning the act. You do you.

[pfife]

that's gas powered stupid.  you do you

[Tigermojo]

2 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

First make a joke about kids getting killed then condoning the act. You do you.

Trump is a pedophile.

[pfife]

..... that also runs cover for other pedos and LOLic voted for it.

[Tigeraholic1]

Great messaging lieutenant.

 

[chasfh]

4 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

 

There is a kind of sick consistency to all this. The Second Amendment is meant for white people in the suburbs, exurbs, and rural counties that vote Trump. It’s not meant for people who live in cities that vote Democrat. That’s why the regime feels they have to send the military to cities, to protect the rest of the country from people for whom 2A is not meant and who, presumably, obtained whatever guns they do have illegally. You don’t see the military going into small town America, because they are all on the same side with military-grade weapons they got either from the armed forces or from unregulated gun shows. They’re probably going to end up working together, right?

Edited yesterday at 02:17 AM by chasfh

[pfife]

22 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Great messaging lieutenant.

 

He should vote for a pedophile instead like you did

[pfife]

guns don't kill people t shirts kill people

 

[mtutiger]

A couple of thoughts

One, I find it interesting that the identity of the shooter matters in this case and yet, with Vance Boelter, it was either ignored or his identity was flat out lied about by the same people who care so deeply in this case.

Two, I am unclear how the identity of the shooter matters more than, oh, the wide availability of guns for people who otherwise shouldn't be in possession of them. 

It's amazing how every single thing under the sun is responsible for these shootings *except* for the guns. 

[mtutiger]

Every. Single. Thing. Except. For. The. Guns......

[mtutiger]

11 hours ago, pfife said:

Same ol ****

Here's what I'll say - politically I don't know how easy any of the issues surrounding guns are to deal with anymore, there's just so many of them distributed throughout society, lobbying for the availability of guns (even as the NRA has diminished in influence) remains as strong as ever, and loosening already loose restrictions on owning and possessing guns is almost a article of faith for the GOP in this country. And they control the store right now.

But none of that changes the facts on the ground: the wide availability of guns in American society is the single biggest factor in why these events happen. Over. And Over. And Over. And Over.... and when these events happen, it needs to be called out for what it is. Not blaming video games, SSRI drugs, identities or any of the other bull****.

And like it or not, these events happening over and over and over again is not an inevitability. It's a choice that we make as a society. The fact that so many other things get scapegoated and that the guns are off-limits to discuss stands as a tacit acknowledgement of this fact IMO.

Edited 16 hours ago by mtutiger

[ewsieg]

So I will say the left only focusing on guns will not solve the issue, nor will it be solved by the right focusing on mental health (especially with the fact they refuse to put in money towards doing anything about it, only complain about it).

IMO, I do think a source of the issue relates more towards mental health then guns.  Seems like most new big podcasts are about a 'mental health journey', but it seems like our youth look at improving mental health means avoiding issues that are mentally tough on you.  Just like you work your body out to make you physically healthy, you need to do things that are mentally hard to help make you mentally healthy.  I know I'm going to sound like an old man, but mostly I just feel like most kids are 'weak'.  Not sure if I can explain it better, but I see to my son and his friends seem almost helpless over rather mundane issues.  I'm sure I was part of the problem.  I don't want to think I was a helicopter parent and when I compare to some of my kids friends parents, we weren't, but compared to my parents, we definitely were.  Is it parenting, is it electronics, IDK.  Above my pay grade, but definitely agree with republicans that point to this being the source of the issue.

But even if we work to fix that source, it will take many years.  In the meantime, just let more mass shootings happen?  How we can't get on board with some common sense gun laws is absolutely wild to me.  

One weird/potentially scary thought, if someone gets into Trumps ear with the following (non factual) statement of 'you know, Soros wouldn't be able to hold our cities in fear if only we had some restrictions to keep these crazy liberals from getting guns and terrorizing our cities' he would probably come out in favor of gun laws and the GOP would probably just follow him.  Obviously I have no faith any laws he passed would be done with competence, but I could see his fascist base embrace it as a means to work towards King Trump.

[Tiger337]

42 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

So I will say the left only focusing on guns will not solve the issue, nor will it be solved by the right focusing on mental health (especially with the fact they refuse to put in money towards doing anything about it, only complain about it).

IMO, I do think a source of the issue relates more towards mental health then guns.  Seems like most new big podcasts are about a 'mental health journey', but it seems like our youth look at improving mental health means avoiding issues that are mentally tough on you.  Just like you work your body out to make you physically healthy, you need to do things that are mentally hard to help make you mentally healthy.  I know I'm going to sound like an old man, but mostly I just feel like most kids are 'weak'.  Not sure if I can explain it better, but I see to my son and his friends seem almost helpless over rather mundane issues.  I'm sure I was part of the problem.  I don't want to think I was a helicopter parent and when I compare to some of my kids friends parents, we weren't, but compared to my parents, we definitely were.  Is it parenting, is it electronics, IDK.  Above my pay grade, but definitely agree with republicans that point to this being the source of the issue.

But even if we work to fix that source, it will take many years.  In the meantime, just let more mass shootings happen?  How we can't get on board with some common sense gun laws is absolutely wild to me.  

One weird/potentially scary thought, if someone gets into Trumps ear with the following (non factual) statement of 'you know, Soros wouldn't be able to hold our cities in fear if only we had some restrictions to keep these crazy liberals from getting guns and terrorizing our cities' he would probably come out in favor of gun laws and the GOP would probably just follow him.  Obviously I have no faith any laws he passed would be done with competence, but I could see his fascist base embrace it as a means to work towards King Trump.

Of course people who shoot up schools have mental health problems and that should be addressed.  People in other countries have mental health problems too, but there are far fewer mass killings.  Why is that? 

People being disconnected from each other due to technology could certainly be part of the problem, but I can say with a lot of certainty that it's not going to get better.  It is mostly likely going to get worse with AI. 

[mtutiger]

52 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

Of course people who shoot up schools have mental health problems and that should be addressed.  People in other countries have mental health problems too, but there are far fewer mass killings.  Why is that? 

People being disconnected from each other due to technology could certainly be part of the problem, but I can say with a lot of certainty that it's not going to get better.  It is mostly likely going to get worse with AI. 

I am sympathetic to Eric's point that mental health is a factor, particularly as we become more isolated and AI becomes more prevalent. But "mental health" is a pretty amorphous topic that, in a country of 350 million people, isn't going to lend itself to a one-size fits all solution.

Like, even if the GOP didn't just scream "mental health" as a way to run out the clock on the news cycle and actually cared about making progress on that front, I don't think there's a policy change or additional funding on that issue that brings down the prevalence of these events at scale that doesn't involve access to guns. And that discussion has been determined to be off-limits and politically incorrect by our GOP overlords.

[Motown Bombers]

The US doesn’t have higher rates of mental health issues than other developed countries. It does have significantly higher gun death rates. 

[chasfh]

Mental health issues + guns = way more mass shootings than mental health issues - guns.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Mental health issues + guns = way more mass shootings than mental health issues - guns.

You know where you will find a lot of mental health issues in America? Look among the homeless. Probably a higher proportion of damaged pysches there than anywhere. You know where you don't find a lot of mass murderers? Among the homeless. Why? Because they can't afford to buy or have places to store guns and cache ammo. QED.

Edited 10 hours ago by gehringer_2

[chasfh]

22 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said:

Great messaging lieutenant.

 

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, chasfh said:

If we don't blow civilization up or fry it into a post apocalyptic stone age, and the history of this America eventually gets written for posterity, it will go down as the 1st post industrial society to succumb to mass cultural insanity. There is no euphemism for where we are - as a whole this society has lost any semblance of sanity - if you define sanity as the ability to recognize and stop a self-destructive downward social spiral. We glorify death instead over life, ignorance over of knowledge, conflict over of comity, the noxious over the wise, the trivial over the valuable. 

I wish I knew where it came from, I certainly didn't see it coming 30 yrs ago but it must have been there coming down the tracks.

[Tiger337]

2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

If we don't blow civilization up or fry it into a post apocalyptic stone age, and the history of this America eventually gets written for posterity, it will go down as the 1st post industrial society to succumb to mass cultural insanity. There is no euphemism for where we are - as a whole this society has lost any semblance of sanity - if you define sanity as the ability to recognize and stop a self-destructive downward social spiral. We glorify death instead over life, ignorance over of knowledge, conflict over of comity, the noxious over the wise, the trivial over the valuable. 

I wish I knew where it came from, I certainly didn't see it coming 30 yrs ago but it must have been there coming down the tracks.

It's really sad what has happened to this country the last ten years, but I suppose it's been that way a lot longer and I just didn't see it.  

[Edman85]

The "mental health" cries fall on deaf ears after all the slashing done to mental health programs this year. If they truly believed that as a cause, they would actually prioritize it instead of callously slashing that funding. Unfortunately, Americans have the memory span of an amnesic goose and words speak louder than actions.

Evil people, the GOP right now.

[Tiger337]

1 minute ago, Edman85 said:

The "mental health" cries fall on deaf ears after all the slashing done to mental health programs this year. If they truly believed that as a cause, they would actually prioritize it instead of callously slashing that funding. Unfortunately, Americans have the memory span of an amnesic goose and words speak louder than actions.

Evil people, the GOP right now.

The Republicans have always cut mental health and substance abuse treatment programs since I've been in the field.  It might not always make the headlines, but it always happens.  This year, more than others though.