oblong Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 21 minutes ago, smr-nj said: But , it’s not a “hostage exchange”. Hamas is turning over hostages. Israel is releasing prisoners. exactly. That's what I was trying to imply. Israel is turning over convicted, or accused prisoners. Hamas is turning over people who's crime was being Jewish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 file this under things you don't see much of anymore and a throwback to how it was and should be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 4 hours ago, pfife said: Do people think Bibi would agree to the arrangement Ehud Barak agreed to? It couldn't even be the same agreement as Israel would have to walk away from a lot more of the West Bank than they would have had to then. 🧩 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: It couldn't even be the same agreement as Israel would have to walk away from a lot more of the West Bank than they would have had to then. 🧩 Exactly, revisonist historians don't like facts when presented..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pfife Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 18 hours ago, Tigeraholic1 said: Exactly, revisonist historians don't like facts when presented..... Congrats on the self reflection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIguy Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 48 minutes ago, oblong said: This is a great example of why I despise the far left almost as much as the far right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 22 hours ago, oblong said: exactly. That's what I was trying to imply. Israel is turning over convicted, or accused prisoners. Hamas is turning over people who's crime was being Jewish. To be fair though... THESE Palestinian prisoners are primarily rock-throwers (teenagers) and soldier-slappers (Palestinian women)... They haven't gotten to the hard-core murderers, bombers, etc. yet. When it comes to releasing male Jewish hostages and soldiers... Hamas will demand the more deadly prisoners. So far it's been women and children and foreigner hostages for women and teenager prisoners... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 one female palestinian hostage that I saw being portrayed as a victim with a medical condition (How dare the Zionists keep someone like that in captivity!) .... was a failed suicide bomber and her medical issues were due to her failure to die properly when carrying out her duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) I didn't catch that one... But otherwise, I think I'm mostly correct... Edited November 30, 2023 by 1984Echoes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I wasn't disagreeing... just expanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 gotcha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMRivdogs Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 This looks like it's getting some national coverage... https://www.axios.com/local/richmond/2023/12/06/menorah-lighting-williamsburg-virginia-israel-hamas?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axioslocal_richmond&stream=top In a nutshell a local synagogue approached the organizers of a local craft and music fair about holding a menorah lighting ceremony during this weekend's event. Second Sundays is held monthly on the outskirts of a shopping/restaurant area between Colonial Williamsburg and The College of William and Mary. It draws locals and tourists to the area. The organization that sponsors Second Sundays turned the request down, saying they've never had a religious event associated with fair and felt it was too political. This whole thing has drawn the usual suspects complaining about the "cancelation" which in turn has forced Colonial Williamsburg, The state arts council and a few other organizations to issue statements that they have no affiliation with Second Sundays. It's also a busy time for CW since the historic area is decorated with traditional colonial Christmas items and holds a big gathering called Grand Illumination on the first three Saturdays in December. Meanwhile the synagogue has found another date and location for their event. But as usual nobody has noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 The normalization of antisemitism is stunning.... just like Trumpism I guess it was always there and just needed something to bring it up to the surface. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MIguy Posted December 6, 2023 Share Posted December 6, 2023 What I've noticed that's really annoying is literally any criticism of Israel being called antisemitism. If a person says Israel is wrong for the way it is executing this war, that's not antisemitism. If a person says Israel is wrong for stealing land and kicking people out of their homes, that's not antisemitism. If someone says Palestinians have a right to a homeland, that's not antisemitism. And lastly, the example a couple posts up is most certainly not antisemitism. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 7:05 AM, oblong said: Now just multiple these people by 10 million and you might see an actual voting bloc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasfh Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Anyone on a campus who uses the public square to call for the genocide of entire classes of people should be dealt with in a manner up to and including expulsion from school and prosecution for incitement speech, and administrators who acknowledge the presence of such action on their campuses and who do nothing about it should be dealt with in a manner up to and including dismissal from their posts. Now I would like to see firsthand accounts of people on campuses using the public square to call for the genocide of entire classes of people, and I would like to see examples of administrators who acknowledged this happening on their campuses and doing nothing about it. Hearsay and secondhand accounts will not be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 If the balance of congress depended on my single vote for her since I’m in her district…. Sorry Dems. Give me a better choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 12:20 PM, oblong said: If the balance of congress depended on my single vote for her since I’m in her district…. Sorry Dems. Give me a better choice. Nassar Beydoun is running for the US Senate seat, he was on Charlie LeDuff's podcast last week and was told by the DNC they'd give him 20 million (10 soft money, 10 hard) if he primaried Rashida instead of going for the Senate seat. DNC wants her out bad, they just didn't realize he's a supporter of hers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 I heard that story and it wasn't the DNC, he claims it was a Jewish person or group, but they denied it. The actor who is running for the US Senate seat also made the same claim. Nobody's been able to prove it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewsieg Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 I went back and relistened to it. He says it was an in person meeting with Lon Johnson, former chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party. He also said another person was at the meeting, but he prefers not to name them. This is the first time I've heard of Nassar. Karen Dumas said he's a stand up guy and I give that some weight. But he's also running as a democrat, so lying comes naturally and he's probably not used to anyone questioning it. 😉 In the interview, he clearly indicates he was offended by the alleged offer, so if he's telling the truth about it, my guess is the other person has current Democratic ties to the party and he doesn't want to ruffle any feathers further as he needs their support, or at least an avoidance of hinderance, for his Senate run. Who knows though, it'll get interesting for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblong Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 "Queers for Palestine" shut down the Manhattan Bridge last night. If you want more proof of the intellectual level at play among the pro palestinians in this country I can't find a better example. This is Chappelle's "only black man in the KKK" level stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted December 12, 2023 Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 12/10/2023 at 12:20 PM, oblong said: If the balance of congress depended on my single vote for her since I’m in her district…. Sorry Dems. Give me a better choice. I don't know if she is better than my congressman and my congressman is John James. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 (edited) So I talked to my mom about this whole situation last night at dinner with her. My mom is your run of the mill Democrat. She always votes in every election and always votes for Democrats. She's progressive, but not socialist or DSA. More in the Warren lane of the party. She consumes her news primarily from MSNBC, the Today Show, Meet the Press, This Week on ABC, 60 Minutes, Time Magazine, and through articles online. She doesn't read or get content from any of the super lefty news sites like Democracy Now, the Intercept, Jacobin, Counter Punch, Salon, etc. She's not on Twitter ever and rarely on Facebook. Keep in mind that her first husband and his family, not my father, were Palestinian and Arab-American. I asked her what she thought about the situation, trying to limit my opinion and bias as best I could, to gauge how she truly feels as a run of the mill, mid-70s, white democratic women. She believes all of the following . . . 1. What Hamas did on October 7th was wrong, barbaric, and was a terrorist attack that should be strongly condemned. 2. Isreal has a right to fight back against Hamas but they have gone too far and are becoming an occupying force like the United States was in Iraq. 3. Israeli settlements are a significant concern that don't get the attention and condemnation they should. 4. Isreal is bordering on a genocide and needs to pull out of Gaza to allow humanitarian relief to come in. 5. While Hamas is cowardly and uses human shields she believes that the Isreali government is not being discriminate enough with their bombing campaigns. She's also upset at them bombing southern Gaza now after declaring that a safe haven weeks ago. 6. She doesn't understand why Joe Biden won't call for a ceasefire and why we give aid with out condition to Isreal. 7. She'll vote for Joe Biden but feels he has handled this situation poorly and with not enough regard for Palestinian life. She is saddened at the massive loss of life and feels that Biden won't call for Isreal to back down. She feels this is the worst moment of his presidency far and a way. I asked her if she thought this was a failure on Biden's part and she said a fairly stern yes to that question. 8. She understands why people call this a genocide and are angry at Biden but that in the end, Trump would make the situation far worse. She feels Biden is trapped in a box but could do more all at the same time. As a progressive, but not leftist, older, suburban white woman, I think that mom is fairly representative of a big portion of the average democratic voting block. She thinks Biden is increasingly on the wrong side of his party on this one and needs to show more concern overall to the Palestinian cause. She said dating back from the years she was married to her first husband Esa, whose family was Palestinian, opened her eyes up to their side of the story more than normal. Edited December 13, 2023 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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