MichiganCardinal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: Legally the situation does turn on a technical interpretation of the CPL and clearly the cops on the scene simply followed chain of command. Still stupid though - why didn't he get his own permit? His frickin' brother obviously could have shown him how. Sure if he kept his big mouth shut. But the story says he admitted to police it was his gun. If an average Joe would get charged and booked for it, therein lies the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 At this point, he is going to have to move in with Dan Campbell. They could put cameras in Campbell’s house make a special edition of Hard Knocks. It would be like the TV show Webster updated for the 21st century. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 7 minutes ago, Jason_R said: At this point, he is going to have to move in with Dan Campbell. They could put cameras in Campbell’s house make a special edition of Hard Knocks. It would be like the TV show Webster updated for the 21st century. I think he should move in with Grandma Hamp instead 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Wonder if the Lions have had enough and would include him in a deal for a pass rusher? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I do think there is a good chance they don't pick up his 5th year option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Why do you need a permit when the gone is registered? It like having a car registered in your name and you still need a drivers license? I know nothing about gun ownership. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 I do think the reporter should be working on something that is meaningful though. Seems like someone just trying to make a name. As for the “crime” seems the police concluded the brothers permit was sufficient, which is why they released him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 6 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: Why do you need a permit when the gone is registered? It like having a car registered in your name and you still need a drivers license? I know nothing about gun ownership. You need a permit to carry a concealed weapon. By keeping it loaded under a seat, he is in violation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Just now, TP_Fan said: I do think the reporter should be working on something that is meaningful though. Seems like someone just trying to make a name. As for the “crime” seems the police concluded the brothers permit was sufficient, which is why they released him. No, the police determined he was celebrity and released him. Police misconduct is the definition of news. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor City Sonics Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Kid can't stay out of his own way. He could be costing himself millions. I don't think he's a bad kid at all, but I do think he's incredibly immature. Nothing new, but in this era everything can't be hidden from the public like in the past. But even if there is no arrest or anything major that comes out of this, the Lions will want to move forward with guys they can count on -- guys that put winning ahead of clowning around all the time. Don't need to be a Boy Scout but play your cards right and by the time you are 37 or 38 years old you'll have so much money you can do whatever you want. Dude could buy an island make his own laws. He needs a life coach. I have to understand what I might have been like at 23 with "**** you" money. I tell you what, based on what his dad said last year, he is not making any excuses for his son. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 11 minutes ago, KL2 said: You need a permit to carry a concealed weapon. By keeping it loaded under a seat, he is in violation. So if it was on the dashboard you don’t need a permit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 12 minutes ago, KL2 said: No, the police determined he was celebrity and released him. Police misconduct is the definition of news. Or maybe the original officers had it wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 minute ago, TP_Fan said: Or maybe the original officers had it wrong. And the multiple supervisors too? And the lt? And the commander and the chief as quoted in the story? And our own eyes All of them got it wrong? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 14 minutes ago, KL2 said: No, the police determined he was celebrity and released him. Police misconduct is the definition of news. Right. I think it’s up in the air whether the celebrity actually gets charged, let alone convicted. The real news story is a police supervisor showing up to a scene where the officer was doing everything right, having a Lions phone background, immediately recognizing the Lions player, making some calls, and presto he’s released. That’s not okay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 Tp is literally the problem with people and Jameson. Now, this is a poster who will rip any or coach who takes a wrong step, or calls a pass instead of a run. But Jameson, it's just excuses and explaining it away Oh he's suspended for betting? Well it's a stupid rule. Ok, but it is a rule, he ignored it and chose to make those bets, nobody forced him. Oh he got popped for a banned substance? Well it's not even one, it's a potential masking agent used to treat ADD. Ok but he didn't follow those procedures outlined by the league and chose to put the substance in his body. Oh he's found with a gun under his seat. The cops got it wrong, even though procedure is clear that when someone is arrested they go to processing and officer discretion ends there. Ok you don't like the law, well it's the law and Jameson chose to go out late at night with his gun and put it under his seat. These were all decisions made by him. None were bad luck or timing, they were all his decision to violate the law/rules. At some point we have to try to stop explaining away his behavior with excuses just cause he's fast on a football field. He has missed games every year and his "bad" behavior is escalating. That Is the classice recipe for disaster. Just cut him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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gehringer_2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 14 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: Right. I think it’s up in the air whether the celebrity actually gets charged, let alone convicted. The real news story is a police supervisor showing up to a scene where the officer was doing everything right, having a Lions phone background, immediately recognizing the Lions player, making some calls, and presto he’s released. That’s not okay. Hmm - Not the way I read it. I thought the SGT showed up and while he recognized Williams, the arrest was still going forward and somebody off site higher on the food chain the SGT was talking to cancelled the proceding. Not that it makes a big difference in the case overall, but it does absolve the guys on the site somewhat. Does a CPL say you can't be responsible for someone else's gun as well as your own? I would guess that would be the defense claim. None of that is an excuse for Williams, just trying to figure out what the PD might have been thinking or what Worthy might decide. Edited October 29 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Hmm - Not the way I read it. I thought the SGT showed up and while he recognized Williams, the arrest was still going forward and somebody off site higher on the food chain the SGT was talking to cancelled the proceding. Not that it makes a big difference in the case overall, but it does absolve the guys on the site somewhat. Does a CPL say you can't be responsible for someone else's gun as well as your own? I would guess that would be the defense claim. None of that is an excuse for Williams, just trying to figure out what the PD might have been thinking or what Worthy might decide. I think it's low chance worthy will go forward because the cop screw ups will make it insanely hard to prosecute. I think word went up who it was and they decided no. But that should have been irrelevant once he was arrested. Per procedure the next stop is jail. For this exact reason. (And note the supervisor was only called because when Jameson kept saying he was a lion the beat cops knew it get attention. It was only after that that it went up the chain and he was released. If Jameson said zero he would have been booked like the rest of us) Edited October 29 by KL2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Hmm - Not the way I read it. I thought the SGT showed up and while he recognized Williams, the arrest was still going forward and somebody off site higher on the food chain the SGT was talking to cancelled the proceding. Not that it makes a big difference in the case overall, but it does absolve the guys on the site somewhat. Does a CPL say you can't be responsible for someone else's gun as well as your own? I would guess that would be the defense claim. I don’t think the Chief would have been quoted through a Department source as being “pissed off” if everything was done by the book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 1 minute ago, MichiganCardinal said: I don’t think the Chief would have been quoted through a Department source as being “pissed off” if everything was done by the book. Correct, but it may make a big difference in the career of that SGT or the LT/Cpt (or whoever it was) depending which one made the decision! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Correct, but it may make a big difference in the career of that SGT or the LT/Cpt (or whoever it was) depending which one made the decision! Agreed. Quite possible Jamo costs someone who doesn’t make millions a job though. (Their actions will have cost them their job, but the point remains that it wouldn’t have happened if not for Jamo). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 20 minutes ago, KL2 said: Tp is literally the problem with people and Jameson. Now, this is a poster who will rip any or coach who takes a wrong step, or calls a pass instead of a run. But Jameson, it's just excuses and explaining it away Oh he's suspended for betting? Well it's a stupid rule. Ok, but it is a rule, he ignored it and chose to make those bets, nobody forced him. Oh he got popped for a banned substance? Well it's not even one, it's a potential masking agent used to treat ADD. Ok but he didn't follow those procedures outlined by the league and chose to put the substance in his body. Oh he's found with a gun under his seat. The cops got it wrong, even though procedure is clear that when someone is arrested they go to processing and officer discretion ends there. Ok you don't like the law, well it's the law and Jameson chose to go out late at night with his gun and put it under his seat. These were all decisions made by him. None were bad luck or timing, they were all his decision to violate the law/rules. At some point we have to try to stop explaining away his behavior with excuses just cause he's fast on a football field. He has missed games every year and his "bad" behavior is escalating. That Is the classice recipe for disaster. Just cut him. I blame Antwaan Randel El. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KL2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: I blame Antwaan Randel El. I blame saban Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 29 Share Posted October 29 (edited) 41 minutes ago, KL2 said: Tp is literally the problem with people and Jameson. Now, this is a poster who will rip any or coach who takes a wrong step, or calls a pass instead of a run. But Jameson, it's just excuses and explaining it away Oh he's suspended for betting? Well it's a stupid rule. Ok, but it is a rule, he ignored it and chose to make those bets, nobody forced him. Oh he got popped for a banned substance? Well it's not even one, it's a potential masking agent used to treat ADD. Ok but he didn't follow those procedures outlined by the league and chose to put the substance in his body. Oh he's found with a gun under his seat. The cops got it wrong, even though procedure is clear that when someone is arrested they go to processing and officer discretion ends there. Ok you don't like the law, well it's the law and Jameson chose to go out late at night with his gun and put it under his seat. These were all decisions made by him. None were bad luck or timing, they were all his decision to violate the law/rules. At some point we have to try to stop explaining away his behavior with excuses just cause he's fast on a football field. He has missed games every year and his "bad" behavior is escalating. That Is the classice recipe for disaster. Just cut him. I think this is going to divide into two different questions. One - was Williams being irresponsible? I think we get a pretty clear yes for the evening - whatever they were intending to do while speeding with two guns in the car was probably a bad idea. The 2nd is whether a gun law violation took place or not, since it was the driver's car, thus his 'concealment' that both weapons were in regardless of who there were registered to. So depending on the wording of the law that is not in front of us, I can see the possibility of Worthy dropping/declining the case --- and that may generate a certain amount both sympathy for Williams as having been abused by the police, and blow back from other segments of the public feeling he got special treatment. Edited October 29 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) Jamo finally did something smart and responsible. He better be strapped if he’s hanging out in some of the deeper parts of Detroit. Edited October 30 by Hongbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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