RedRamage Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: Agreed. Quite possible Jamo costs someone who doesn’t make millions a job though. (Their actions will have cost them their job, but the point remains that it wouldn’t have happened if not for Jamo). IF there was someone higher up who called off the arrest/investigation/whatever, that isn't on Jamo. Obviously we don't know all the details here but if Jamo and his brother where speeding, got pulled over, and then the cops started going further in... you could blame that part of Jamo or his brother. But calling off the proceedings... that's on someone higher up. And if one of the officers loses a job because of it, that's on the higher up. Obviously this assumes that this is what happened... that the onsite cops were going to arrest but got called off my higher ups. Blaming Jamo would be like saying it's I'm responsible for a death because I didn't signal that I was going to turn left so the guy going 75 down a side street while drunk didn't know I was turning left until too late and swerved around me, lost control of his car and crashed it and died. I may be responsible the incident starting... but if the other guy wasn't drunk or going WAY too fast it would have been a minor fender bender, not a death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 What’s the law actually say? I see people on Reddit stating that the concealed permit can cover others firearms as well, as long as the firearm is registered. Initial cops may have just gotten wrong. I also don’t believe reports that the chief is pissed off. This is so low bar, a police chief doesn’t have time to spend emotion on something like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 17 minutes ago, RedRamage said: IF there was someone higher up who called off the arrest/investigation/whatever, that isn't on Jamo. Obviously we don't know all the details here but if Jamo and his brother where speeding, got pulled over, and then the cops started going further in... you could blame that part of Jamo or his brother. But calling off the proceedings... that's on someone higher up. And if one of the officers loses a job because of it, that's on the higher up. Obviously this assumes that this is what happened... that the onsite cops were going to arrest but got called off my higher ups. Blaming Jamo would be like saying it's I'm responsible for a death because I didn't signal that I was going to turn left so the guy going 75 down a side street while drunk didn't know I was turning left until too late and swerved around me, lost control of his car and crashed it and died. I may be responsible the incident starting... but if the other guy wasn't drunk or going WAY too fast it would have been a minor fender bender, not a death. TBH, I have no idea what Michigan law says about having a loaded weapon hidden under a seat of a car. Did someone have a CPL? Some said his brother had one. Does that make it legal? IDK but it seems a bit crazy if it turns out to be legal. A lot of assumptions are being made on social media but I'm not sure we've heard the actual true facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Hearing from Justin Rogers that the team knew about this event weeks ago is a relief. Breaching the teams’ trust may have been a fatal sin. Campbell‘s comments that he trusted Jamo but that he had lost grip on the rope were made knowing this was likely coming down the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Sports_Freak said: IDK but it seems a bit crazy if it turns out to be legal. Exactly. Whether he was being foolish is a different question from whether he was being illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 14 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Exactly. Whether he was being foolish is a different question from whether he was being illegal. I don't know the reasons he feels he needs to have any guns around. With his money, he could hire private security. The Lions would probably assist him in that. And of course, all I really hear are rumors. It's hard to know what to believe. Just let it play out, I guess. People on Twitter calling for the Lions to trade or cut him don't know any of the facts either. Pretty stupid, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 jamo isnt going anywhere this year. the odds of the lions picking up his 5th year option might have just decreased a bit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 This incident or the PED suspension or the gambling suspension or the tweets a couple years ago......are not big deals if its just one incident. The fact that this keeps on happening to him is a major concern. I could be wrong, but I don't think he has a record. So this incident will probably not result into anything except maybe probation, community service, gun classes,...etc. Not sure how the Lions or the NFL will handle it since its his first incident for anything criminally. Not sure if the NFL or the Lions can do anything since he has been suspended for other violations. It's annoying because any of these things by themselves are not that big of a deal. Its just showing a lack of immaturity, intelligence, or bad judgement. I hate to be so critical because I have no idea what kind of 23 year old I would of been with that much talent and money. Plus a lot your life, others letting you get away with stuff because your a football star. I am pretty sure my family wouldn't let me get too big of a head. It seems like he has a really good family and his brother did the right thing. I think the biggest thing that annoys me is him constantly telling the officers that he plays for the Detroit Lions. That just shows that he thinks he should get special treatment and that isn't a good trait. I hate to say it although the fact that he is finally playing up to his potential on the field makes this a lot harder to take. The Lions are going to have to make some tough decisions coming up with taking on that 5th year and after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 9 hours ago, Sports_Freak said: I don't know the reasons he feels he needs to have any guns around. With his money, he could hire private security. The Lions would probably assist him in that. And of course, all I really hear are rumors. It's hard to know what to believe. Just let it play out, I guess. People on Twitter calling for the Lions to trade or cut him don't know any of the facts either. Pretty stupid, IMO. It's a maturity issue, at least in my professional opinion... and you can trust me... I'm an IT guy who reads news stories and random internet posts by strangers. 🙂 Seriously though, it just feels like the kid needs to grow up. Yesterday I was going to make some comment about him Jamo possibly being Titus Young 2.0... but that felt completely wrong so I never made the comment. Young was messed up in the head and it made him do a lot of weird stuff both on the field and off. Jamo just seems to be doing just we likely all might have done in our late teens if we had stupid amounts of money. You act before you think things all the way through. It seems like a good idea at the time so you do it and then later look back and go: "Oh... yeah, um... that was probably stupid." Just for most of us we didn't have enough money to make supremely stupid and we weren't big enough celebrities that it was reported about in the news. Now most of us have matured enough that we actually check the how deep the water is before we jump in. For Jamo he's got everything working against him: He's a little late in the maturity development... he's got the stupid amounts of money... and he is a big enough celebrity that it's being reported. The things that makes him supremely different than Young are these: First, he seems to supremely love the game. He really looks like he's having fun out there and wants to be successful. Second, he seems to be a team player who is willing to do the non-limelight things to help the team win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 30 Author Share Posted October 30 I think it's also worth noting that the indiscretions here may all be minor things depending on the full facts, which we'll likely never know. Gambling: I think we all agree it's a stupid rule. That doesn't absolve him, but it does explain that with the complications and nuances Jamo may not have known the rule he was breaking or knew the rule but thought he was following it. PES: IF he had a legit prescription, then it's a matter of not reporting it to the NFL. Not a good thing, but far less of a bad thing than taking PES to try to cheat. Gun: This isn't a case of Jamo flashing the gun around or threatening people with it. It's a case of (allegedly) having it for his own protection and he just hadn't gotten all the permits to carry it the way he was. But even in these "best case" scenarios there's a lack of understanding on Jamo's part: He doesn't understand the gambling rules fully or he doesn't understand he'll get caught if he breaks them. He doesn't understand the reporting rules for drugs or he doesn't understand he'll get caught if he breaks them. He doesn't understand you need a CPL to carry the gun like that or he doesn't understand he'll get caught if he breaks the law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) Josh Gordon was suspended for having inhaled a plant-based substance. Jamo should be suspended for having a gun without permit to carry it. A gun is worse than a joint. And no, this isn't a ridiculous comment to make either. The NFL made it clear that players should get the death penalty over smoking pot and that few sins are worse than smoking a joint. So if that's how the league is going to treat pot, it better take a gun charge far for seriously. Edited October 30 by Mr.TaterSalad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 15 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Josh Gordon was suspended for having inhaled a plant-based substance. Jamo should be suspended for having a gun without permit to carry it. A gun is worse than a joint. And no, this isn't a ridiculous comment to make either. The NFL made it clear that players should get the death penalty over smoking pot and that few sins are worse than smoking a joint. So if that's how the league is going to treat pot, it better take a gun charge far for seriously. What is the rule on something like this? I could be wrong but I am pretty sure he won't get a felony for this. The prosecutor will probably negotiate with his lawyer for community service, probation, and gun classes (which probably won't be deiced for a while). If anything the officer that said to let him go could get fired or suspended. Addison still hasn't been suspended for the DUI and that happened in July 2023. So they will have to at least let the legal process before any suspensions happen. Again all assumptions at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Josh Gordon was suspended for having inhaled a plant-based substance. Jamo should be suspended for having a gun without permit to carry it. A gun is worse than a joint. And no, this isn't a ridiculous comment to make either. The NFL made it clear that players should get the death penalty over smoking pot and that few sins are worse than smoking a joint. So if that's how the league is going to treat pot, it better take a gun charge far for seriously. I’m not exactly sure how the league treats this rule. There are 29 states that allow permitless carry in which Jamo wouldn’t have committed any crime. Obviously, Michigan is not one of them and he broke the law but I’d have a hard time believing the league would come down super hard on him for essentially failing to stow his registered weapon correctly. FWIW, Josh Gordon’s issues started in 2013. Marijuana was still illegal and a felony in almost every state. A decade later and everything has changed when it comes to marijuana. It’s not a death penalty from the NFL. It’s nothing. They don’t even test for it anymore. Edited October 30 by Hongbit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 It seems like poor judgment for someone with his money to be running around Jefferson and Connor after midnight with guns in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 5 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: It seems like poor judgment for someone with his money to be running around Jefferson and Connor after midnight with guns in the car. The guns certainly. OTOH, I think he said he lives in the city - I have no idea where but Jefferson and Connor is only a couple of blocks from Indian Village or Grosse Pointe so he *may* (or may not) have had reasonable reason to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP_Fan Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: Josh Gordon was suspended for having inhaled a plant-based substance. Jamo should be suspended for having a gun without permit to carry it. A gun is worse than a joint. And no, this isn't a ridiculous comment to make either. The NFL made it clear that players should get the death penalty over smoking pot and that few sins are worse than smoking a joint. So if that's how the league is going to treat pot, it better take a gun charge far for seriously. NFL players are allowed to smoke pot. It’s not banned anymore. If they test over a certain threshold they get recommended for counseling. I hate guns more than anyone. I think humans shouldn’t have guns. But we do. As a non gun owner, reading the Michigan laws for the first time, it’s extremely confusing. I would have thought had you registered the gun you’re good. Jamos brother had the correct credentials. And the law seems to point towards his credential covering jamos firearm as well. The story here is that it looks like the police ultimately got it right and then some nosey reporter wrote a story, as an investigate journalistic, without doing any investigating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 Gun laws are so different state to state. Indiana, you can conceal carry, chambered with no permit required as long as you are not a felon and 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 It would also show poor judgment to be running around those parts WITHOUT guns in the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hongbit Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 20 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: It seems like poor judgment for someone with his money to be running around Jefferson and Connor after midnight with guns in the car. It’s poor judgement for someone with his money to be in that area after midnight without a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gehringer_2 Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TP_Fan said: NFL players are allowed to smoke pot. It’s not banned anymore. If they test over a certain threshold they get recommended for counseling. I hate guns more than anyone. I think humans shouldn’t have guns. But we do. As a non gun owner, reading the Michigan laws for the first time, it’s extremely confusing. I would have thought had you registered the gun you’re good. Jamos brother had the correct credentials. And the law seems to point towards his credential covering jamos firearm as well. The story here is that it looks like the police ultimately got it right and then some nosey reporter wrote a story, as an investigate journalistic, without doing any investigating. I don't know how far back some of the laws on the books go, but back in the day, the rule was if you didn't have a CPL, you had to transport your weapon in an area of the car you that you could not access - i.e. locked in the trunk. What % of cars have trunks separated from the passenger compartment today? I wonder if that one is still on the books. Edited October 30 by gehringer_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motown Bombers Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 25 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: The guns certainly. OTOH, I think he said he lives in the city - I have no idea where but Jefferson and Connor is only a couple of blocks from Indian Village or Grosse Pointe so he *may* (or may not) have had reasonable reason to be there. I grew up in Detroit on the Grosse Pointe border and that area by Jefferson and Connor was rough back then. It’s not the worst since the police maintain a presence because of the Chrysler factory, but moving away from Jefferson gets rough. Williams also continually shows up at coney islands at midnight on 6 Mile. I have my doubts he lives in Grosse Pointe. There is an area called the Marina district or something like that nearby that is fairly new and I believe gated. Joique Bell used to live there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 (edited) His brother had a gun and a CPL so the excuse its for safety reasons is just stupid. Again, these are just stupid things he is getting in trouble for. It just seems like there is a major lack of common sense. I would say he should just go and get his CPL but I am not confidant he would be responsible enough to even have a gun. Get security. You just cost yourself 10 times what security cost. Every time he gets suspended or something like this, his next contract gets that much smaller. I guess you could just hope a dumb team like Cleveland gives you a huge contract. If you want to be on a winning team and get the big contract, you have to be smarter. Edited October 30 by Jimbo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sports_Freak Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 4 hours ago, RedRamage said: It's a maturity issue, at least in my professional opinion... and you can trust me... I'm an IT guy who reads news stories and random internet posts by strangers. 🙂 Seriously though, it just feels like the kid needs to grow up. Yesterday I was going to make some comment about him Jamo possibly being Titus Young 2.0... but that felt completely wrong so I never made the comment. Young was messed up in the head and it made him do a lot of weird stuff both on the field and off. Jamo just seems to be doing just we likely all might have done in our late teens if we had stupid amounts of money. You act before you think things all the way through. It seems like a good idea at the time so you do it and then later look back and go: "Oh... yeah, um... that was probably stupid." Just for most of us we didn't have enough money to make supremely stupid and we weren't big enough celebrities that it was reported about in the news. Now most of us have matured enough that we actually check the how deep the water is before we jump in. For Jamo he's got everything working against him: He's a little late in the maturity development... he's got the stupid amounts of money... and he is a big enough celebrity that it's being reported. The things that makes him supremely different than Young are these: First, he seems to supremely love the game. He really looks like he's having fun out there and wants to be successful. Second, he seems to be a team player who is willing to do the non-limelight things to help the team win. People making excuses for him are just enabling his immature behavior. This is exactly what leads to much more serious problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jason_R Posted October 30 Share Posted October 30 49 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: People making excuses for him are just enabling his immature behavior. This is exactly what leads to much more serious problems. If he’s not listening to advice from his coaches and teammates, he is not listening to people on social media enough that they enable him. 😂 He’s just living in the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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