Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigerbomb13]

 

[Tiger337]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Don't forget these same pro-life people were willing to sacrifice seniors just to keep stores open. 

And they were open about it.  

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[Mr.TaterSalad]

28 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

I love how she glosses over the jobs numbers and tries to move onto talking about something else. The economic wunderkind strikes again.

[Motown Bombers]

All of this was totally avoidable if we would have just supported the nice old man. 

[gehringer_2]

52 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

well, that's one way for Trump to get his interest rate cut.

[gehringer_2]

16 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

All of this was totally avoidable if we would have just supported the nice old man. 

or the flip side also - If MAGA is actually the end of the Republic, historians will spend lifetimes arguing whether the Dems would have won the election if Biden had just decided not to run and the primary process had played out. We will never know.

Edited Wednesday at 02:17 PM by gehringer_2

[Motown Bombers]

6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

or the flip side also - If MAGA is actually the end of the Republic, historians will spend lifetimes arguing whether the Dems would have won the election if Biden had just decided not to run and the primary process had played out. We will never know.

They'll probably spend lifetimes arguing whether his own party should have ran a campaign against him asking voters not to vote for him. Democrats abandoned the only candidate to defeat Trump and put up more resistance to their own candidate. They never stuck with Biden during his presidency the way Republicans stuck with Trump. 

[chasfh]

Republicans stick with Trump because he is the one and only power source. There is nothing like that on the Democratic side.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Republicans stick with Trump because he is the one and only power source. There is nothing like that on the Democratic side.

Yes, I don't think they have any loyalty to him personally.  He's useful.  Very useful.  

[Motown Bombers]

Republicans fell in line with Trump in 2016 when he looked like he was destined to lose. Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. 

[Tiger337]

12 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

They'll probably spend lifetimes arguing whether his own party should have ran a campaign against him asking voters not to vote for him. Democrats abandoned the only candidate to defeat Trump and put up more resistance to their own candidate. They never stuck with Biden during his presidency the way Republicans stuck with Trump. 

After Biden's performance in the debate, I think there was no way he was going to win.  That was a stunningly bad performance.  I know Trump's debates are always a joke, but it doesn't matter with him.  America loves a loud mouth bumbling idiot.  

[Motown Bombers]

7 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

After Biden's performance in the debate, I think there was no way he was going to win.  That was a stunningly bad performance.  I know Trump's debates are always a joke, but it doesn't matter with him.  America loves a loud mouth bumbling idiot.  

Polls after the debate showed no change but Dems wet themselves and started attacking Biden. He was cooked when the Dems turned on him. Debates don't matter to Trump because Republicans never turn on their own. 

[1984Echoes]

14 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

... Democrats fall in love. 

And too many fell out of love in 2024.

And here we are...

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, 1984Echoes said:

And too many fell out of love in 2024.

And here we are...

They told us we had to vote against Biden because he was doing a genocide. Now that your uncommitted vote did nothing, you now have to vote the guy I told you not to vote for and was doing a genocide. Absolutely insane. I am not voting for anyone who supported uncommitted. I'm volunteering on the Stevens campaign just to tell phone bank and tell as many people how El-Sayed spent more effort resisting Dems than Trump. 

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

After Biden's performance in the debate, I think there was no way he was going to win.  That was a stunningly bad performance.  I know Trump's debates are always a joke, but it doesn't matter with him.  America loves a loud mouth bumbling idiot.  

the dems have had the bad luck of having to old war-horses without the self-awareness to get out in time. RBG need to go while the Dems still had the Senate, Biden needed to see his own weakness - even if that weakness was mostly inside his own party. The old over estimating themselves is all too common and probably has no left/right bias, but it would be nice if it would happen on the other side the next few times.

Edited Wednesday at 02:59 PM by gehringer_2

[pfife]

I crunched the numbers again and trump won because republicans voted for him

[gehringer_2]

14 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

After Biden's performance in the debate, I think there was no way he was going to win.  That was a stunningly bad performance.  I know Trump's debates are always a joke, but it doesn't matter with him.  America loves a loud mouth bumbling idiot.  

I guess we are in a place were meeting expectations is more important than real ability. Trump will  babble nonsense but he does it with energy and absolute confidence, and that seems to be enough.

[Motown Bombers]

4 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

the dems have had the bad luck of having to old war-horses without the self-awareness to get out in time. RBG need to go while the Dems still had the Senate, Biden needed to see his own weakness - even if that weakness was mostly inside his own party. The old over estimating themselves is all too common and probably has no left/right bias, but it would be nice if it would happen on the other side the next few times.

Biden literally retired and came back because he was the only one who could defeat Trump and did. He wasn't young in 2020 and voters chose him over younger options like Buttigieg and Klobochar. Despite being an "old war-horse" he was the most progressive president since Johnson. He ended the war in Afghanistan, canceled millions of student debt, passed the large investment in climate in history, capped prescription drugs, and was the most LGBT friendly president in history and we threw that all away over Gaza. 

[1984Echoes]

Just now, pfife said:

I crunched the numbers again and trump won because republicans voted for him

This is NOT correct.

Trump won because of Independents.

Republicans = 30% of the electorate. NO ONE can win with ONLY the support of their party voters. Dems are 35%, BTW. Go back and crunch your numbers again.

Let us know how many Independents voted for Trump, because they are 35% of the electorate. And THEY are the "kingmakers" or the "backbreakers".

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, 1984Echoes said:

This is NOT correct.

Trump won because of Independents.

Republicans = 30% of the electorate. NO ONE can win with ONLY the support of their party voters. Dems are 35%, BTW. Go back and crunch your numbers again.

Let us know how many Independents voted for Trump, because they are 35% of the electorate. And THEY are the "kingmakers" or the "backbreakers".

Harris got 6 million fewer votes than Biden. It's obvious a lot of Dems sat home. 

[Tigerbomb13]

Not a chance Biden would have beat Trump if he stayed in the race. Not after the debate. 

[gehringer_2]

34 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Harris got 6 million fewer votes than Biden. It's obvious a lot of Dems sat home. 

 

It reminds me of children at the stage where they cover their eyes and think no-one can see them. "I don't love the candidate so I'm not going to vote and it's no longer my problem."  Pretty much the same level of logic.

Edited Wednesday at 03:43 PM by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

38 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

Republicans = 30% of the electorate. NO ONE can win with ONLY the support of their party voters

While this is technically true in terms of claimed party membership, in the US in recent years very few independents really are - they call themselves 'independent' because they don't want the social 'stigma' of being 'responsible' for the crap in either party, but something like 90% of them always vote the same party all the time.