gehringer_2 Posted August 4 Posted August 4 35 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said: RIP the tourist industry if that happens. So which countries would be significant tourist sources but also visa overstays? Mexico certainly. That and it would be the Central and South American upper/middle classes that would be hit I would suppose. I don't think there are many visa overstays from Western Europe or Japan. Is there PRC tourism on the West Coast? Quote
pfife Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I ,for one, have no idea what Cecil and Pfife are talking about. Michigan politics Quote
pfife Posted August 4 Posted August 4 2 hours ago, romad1 said: Whatever the hell was going on in this thread above...you guys realize that the purity wars are fun until you get a fascist man-baby elected. Old enough to remember when his ilk saved maga mike. Hard pass on that noise Quote
ewsieg Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Still very leery of AI generated reports regarding news, but I was listening a podcast talking about the BLS numbers, in which they agreed that it's ridiculous that in 2025, that wide swing of numbers can be discovered in a revision. Point being that BLS has some antiquated systems in place to obtain these numbers. And with that, here's Google Gemini talking DOGE: Based on recent news reports, it appears that Howard Lutnick, the current Secretary of Commerce, has taken actions that have impacted efforts to modernize and improve the reliability of government economic data, including some that were relevant to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Specifically: Disbanding Advisory Committees: Lutnick disbanded two expert committees, including the Federal Economic Statistics Advisory Committee (FESAC), which advised on economic statistics, including those related to inflation, employment, and Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Concerns over Data Quality: Reports suggest that the disbandment of these committees, combined with previously existing budget cuts at the BLS, could negatively affect the accuracy and quality of future economic data. Criticism of Economic Metrics: Lutnick has also floated the idea of changing how GDP is calculated, suggesting the exclusion of government spending, which has raised concerns about potential political interference with official data. While the exact nature of any specific "project to modernize BLS numbers" that may have been canceled or impacted is not detailed in the provided search results, Lutnick's actions with the advisory committees and public comments on data collection have raised concerns about the future of such modernization efforts and the independence of economic data gathering at the BLS. Quote
GalagaGuy Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Regarding the redistricting nonsense going on in Texas..... Texas has 38 seats in the House and 25 are currently filled by Republicans. That's 66% of the seats in a state where between 55-60% of the vote for President goes to the Republican candidate. Now lets look at California. They have 52 seats and 9 are currently filled by Republicans. That's 17% of the seats in a state where 35-40% of the votes are for the Republican candidate for President. Seems that both sides are just as bad when it comes to gerrymandering. At least we're playing fair here in Michigan. 13 seats with it currently being 7-6 for Republicans. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 hours ago, ewsieg said: Still very leery of AI generated reports regarding news, but I was listening a podcast talking about the BLS numbers, in which they agreed that it's ridiculous that in 2025, that wide swing of numbers can be discovered in a revision. Except that it's not really a "wide swing in the numbers" The new jobs stats are a tiny difference between huge numbers, (total US employment is ~160,000,000. New jobs in a month are about 0.1% of that). It's impressive that they get as close as they do reporting practically in real time. Quote
pfife Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Its surveys that come in late. Thats why they revise. Theres nothing about 2025 that abolished lateness. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 5 Posted August 5 7 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: Regarding the redistricting nonsense going on in Texas..... Texas has 38 seats in the House and 25 are currently filled by Republicans. That's 66% of the seats in a state where between 55-60% of the vote for President goes to the Republican candidate. Now lets look at California. They have 52 seats and 9 are currently filled by Republicans. That's 17% of the seats in a state where 35-40% of the votes are for the Republican candidate for President. Seems that both sides are just as bad when it comes to gerrymandering. At least we're playing fair here in Michigan. 13 seats with it currently being 7-6 for Republicans. California has an independent redistricting commission. Democrats don’t make the maps there. Sorry to rain on your both sides. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 9 hours ago, ewsieg said: Still very leery of AI generated reports regarding news, but I was listening a podcast talking about the BLS numbers, in which they agreed that it's ridiculous that in 2025, that wide swing of numbers can be discovered in a revision. Point being that BLS has some antiquated systems in place to obtain these numbers. And with that, here's Google Gemini talking DOGE: Based on recent news reports, it appears that Howard Lutnick, the current Secretary of Commerce, has taken actions that have impacted efforts to modernize and improve the reliability of government economic data, including some that were relevant to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Specifically: Disbanding Advisory Committees: Lutnick disbanded two expert committees, including the Federal Economic Statistics Advisory Committee (FESAC), which advised on economic statistics, including those related to inflation, employment, and Gross Domestic Product (GDP). Concerns over Data Quality: Reports suggest that the disbandment of these committees, combined with previously existing budget cuts at the BLS, could negatively affect the accuracy and quality of future economic data. Criticism of Economic Metrics: Lutnick has also floated the idea of changing how GDP is calculated, suggesting the exclusion of government spending, which has raised concerns about potential political interference with official data. While the exact nature of any specific "project to modernize BLS numbers" that may have been canceled or impacted is not detailed in the provided search results, Lutnick's actions with the advisory committees and public comments on data collection have raised concerns about the future of such modernization efforts and the independence of economic data gathering at the BLS. I can believe that there are antiquated systems in place at BLS. However, that's not the stated reason why she was fired. If the system does need to be modernized, I have have no faith that the current administration will address the situation in a thoughful and honest way. The system will be changed with the only goal bing to produce numbers that make Trump look good. 3 Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 hours ago, pfife said: Its surveys that come in late. Thats why they revise. Theres nothing about 2025 that abolished lateness. Yup, late data is generally the reason for revision of numbers in any agency. It can't be avoided. I suppose it could be avoided by ignoring the late surveys and never doing revisions, but would only be done if you are not interested in accuracy. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: Trump is entitled to five more seats. I think MAGA is going to pull this off in Texas and eliminate 5 Dem seats. Unclear if other states can or will follow. You would expect that the mid-terms will be a blood bath for Trump, but you would also expect that a rapist, impeached felon would not be re-elected POTUS with 90 million Americans not bothering to vote. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted August 5 Posted August 5 14 hours ago, pfife said: Michigan politics One of the reasons, among many, that we hate Donald Trump is because of his vulgar, disgusting, sexist, misogynist behavior. I'm sure Haley Stevens would agree with this. Yet, when it comes to Mike Bloomberg all is forgiven and she endorses a creep, with multiple NDAs, simply because he has a (D) next to his name. We are disgusted at the way Trump talks about women, even his own daughter. Yet when Mike Bloomberg talks about his daughter that way, it's no problem for Haley Stevens. Michigan politics sure is interesting. 1 Quote
GalagaGuy Posted August 5 Posted August 5 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: California has an independent redistricting commission. Democrats don’t make the maps there. Sorry to rain on your both sides. I would have to question the independence of their independent commission. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 5 Posted August 5 9 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: I think MAGA is going to pull this off in Texas and eliminate 5 Dem seats. Unclear if other states can or will follow. You would expect that the mid-terms will be a blood bath for Trump, but you would also expect that a rapist, impeached felon would not be re-elected POTUS with 90 million Americans not bothering to vote. Blue states will, but the purity test 15 years ago was independent districts. Blue states unilaterally disarmed themselves. California has an independent redistricting commission. Voters will need to vote to get rid of that. It looks to be on tract for November vote. I believe New York can't get rid of their's until 2028. Illinois is pretty heavily gerrymandered. There are only 3 Republicans from Illinois. I imagine they can whack one or two. Not sure about New Jersey. New England is literally all Democrats so there aren't any republicans to whack there. That really leave CO/WA/OR. Not sure what they can do. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 5 Posted August 5 2 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: I would have to question the independence of their independent commission. It was proposed by a republican and made up by both parties. Trump won more than the 9 congressional districts. Many of the districts have a +/- of single digits. There are anywhere from 15-20 districts in California that are single digits and competitive. Dems tend to win the majority of them. Texas is trying to eliminate as many competitive districts as they can and make them republican. Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 Somebody needs to be fired, https://www.marketwatch.com/story/biggest-part-of-the-u-s-economy-barely-grows-in-july-ism-finds-due-to-tariff-knock-on-effects-8d732689?mod=home_ln Quote
Motown Bombers Posted August 5 Posted August 5 31 minutes ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: One of the reasons, among many, that we hate Donald Trump is because of his vulgar, disgusting, sexist, misogynist behavior. I'm sure Haley Stevens would agree with this. Yet, when it comes to Mike Bloomberg all is forgiven and she endorses a creep, with multiple NDAs, simply because he has a (D) next to his name. We are disgusted at the way Trump talks about women, even his own daughter. Yet when Mike Bloomberg talks about his daughter that way, it's no problem for Haley Stevens. Michigan politics sure is interesting. Speaking of interesting, imagine supporting a whole campaign to punish the only person capable of defeating Trump who is the monster you describe. A campaign against a man who was one of the most empathetic presidents ever, appointed the most women to federal courts, and was the most LGBT friendly president ever. Imagine helping Trump defeat that person like El-Genocide did. Quote
Tigermojo Posted August 5 Posted August 5 8 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: This works great with Kennedy in charge of health. Soon everyone will have some disease and can cash in. Quote
CMRivdogs Posted August 5 Posted August 5 I for one am very disappointed that the White House has yet to produce a note from Epstein’s mother 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted August 5 Posted August 5 The air quality here from the Canadian wildfires is terrible. This is the 2nd straight year we’ve had this problem. I wish there was somebody that could tell those damn Canucks to blow the smoke away from America. If they aren’t willing to do it then maybe we need to send our military in to take care of their problem. They can also stop the massive network of Canadian fentanyl that makes up the .02% of what’s brought into America. 🇺🇸 Quote
Tiger337 Posted August 5 Posted August 5 24 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: extra racist today That's why there are so many of them in baseball now. They never get bad backs. Quote
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