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5 minutes ago, oblong said:

I take it to mean "Ok, you say that now just to move on and not have to defend it, but next week you'll forget about it."

I mean... how much more proof do we need of anything negative you could possibly say about him that wasn't there in 2016?

Ahh, I took it as the guy mocking religion and laughing at the fact that MAGA didn't get pissed until Trump mocked Jesus with a picture, but mocking jesus with his actions over the years was fine. 

To me, I saw enough prior to 2016, but I'm still completely lost on how he maintained support after 1/6/21.  But at this point, if it leaked he demanded his TP to be under vs over and that lost him more votes, I'm all for it.  

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10 minutes ago, oblong said:

I take it to mean "Ok, you say that now just to move on and not have to defend it, but next week you'll forget about it."

I mean... how much more proof do we need of anything negative you could possibly say about him that wasn't there in 2016?

 

There's undoubtedly plenty of people that will rationalize it away, but it isn't 100% either.

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10 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

To me, I saw enough prior to 2016, but I'm still completely lost on how he maintained support after 1/6/21.  But at this point, if it leaked he demanded his TP to be under vs over and that lost him more votes, I'm all for it.  

In 2024, he got a lot of first time support from younger and Hispanic voters. Both of these groups are big reasons why he ended up winning (with a difference of 250k votes over three states). And a lot of that came down to the economy and feelings about cost of living.

One of these groups in particular (Hispanics) is also predominantly Catholic and one of the more likely groups to be annoyed or offended by the President trashing Pope Leo.

The deadenders will never quit him, but what I wish more people would understand is that not every single person who voted for Trump in any of the last three Presidential elections (particularly the last one) is a Trump deadender. And yes, things that the President says that push those softer voters away and things that his opposition does matter in bringing people along.

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3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

... we are barely hanging on as a democracy. people need to understand that.

And react accordingly.

Fight for our democracy.

That is my immovable/ unchangeable position.

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1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

In 2024, he got a lot of first time support from younger and Hispanic voters. Both of these groups are big reasons why he ended up winning (with a difference of 250k votes over three states). And a lot of that came down to the economy and feelings about cost of living.

One of these groups in particular (Hispanics) is also predominantly Catholic and one of the more likely groups to be annoyed or offended by the President trashing Pope Leo.

The deadenders will never quit him, but what I wish more people would understand is that not every single person who voted for Trump in any of the last three Presidential elections (particularly the last one) is a Trump deadender. And yes, things that the President says that push those softer voters away and things that his opposition does matter in bringing people along.

Hispanics were already racing back to Dems. This will certainly help that cause. 

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