Trumps Presidency 2025

[Tigerbomb13]

My AI attempt was a little more accurate 

[ewsieg]

5 minutes ago, oblong said:

I take it to mean "Ok, you say that now just to move on and not have to defend it, but next week you'll forget about it."

I mean... how much more proof do we need of anything negative you could possibly say about him that wasn't there in 2016?

Ahh, I took it as the guy mocking religion and laughing at the fact that MAGA didn't get pissed until Trump mocked Jesus with a picture, but mocking jesus with his actions over the years was fine. 

To me, I saw enough prior to 2016, but I'm still completely lost on how he maintained support after 1/6/21.  But at this point, if it leaked he demanded his TP to be under vs over and that lost him more votes, I'm all for it.  

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, oblong said:

I take it to mean "Ok, you say that now just to move on and not have to defend it, but next week you'll forget about it."

I mean... how much more proof do we need of anything negative you could possibly say about him that wasn't there in 2016?

 

There's undoubtedly plenty of people that will rationalize it away, but it isn't 100% either.

[mtutiger]

10 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

To me, I saw enough prior to 2016, but I'm still completely lost on how he maintained support after 1/6/21.  But at this point, if it leaked he demanded his TP to be under vs over and that lost him more votes, I'm all for it.  

In 2024, he got a lot of first time support from younger and Hispanic voters. Both of these groups are big reasons why he ended up winning (with a difference of 250k votes over three states). And a lot of that came down to the economy and feelings about cost of living.

One of these groups in particular (Hispanics) is also predominantly Catholic and one of the more likely groups to be annoyed or offended by the President trashing Pope Leo.

The deadenders will never quit him, but what I wish more people would understand is that not every single person who voted for Trump in any of the last three Presidential elections (particularly the last one) is a Trump deadender. And yes, things that the President says that push those softer voters away and things that his opposition does matter in bringing people along.

Edited 2 hours ago by mtutiger

[1984Echoes]

3 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

... we are barely hanging on as a democracy. people need to understand that.

And react accordingly.

Fight for our democracy.

That is my immovable/ unchangeable position.

[1984Echoes]

33 minutes ago, Tigerbomb13 said:

My AI attempt was a little more accurate 

Although he has TWO right hands in this...

Or maybe that also is more accurate...?

[romad1]

I guess he figured something out. 

[gehringer_2]

6 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I guess he figured something out. 

Susan Wiles move.

[mtutiger]

12 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Susan Wiles move.

Clearest evidence yet of self-inflicted damage

[Motown Bombers]

1 hour ago, mtutiger said:

In 2024, he got a lot of first time support from younger and Hispanic voters. Both of these groups are big reasons why he ended up winning (with a difference of 250k votes over three states). And a lot of that came down to the economy and feelings about cost of living.

One of these groups in particular (Hispanics) is also predominantly Catholic and one of the more likely groups to be annoyed or offended by the President trashing Pope Leo.

The deadenders will never quit him, but what I wish more people would understand is that not every single person who voted for Trump in any of the last three Presidential elections (particularly the last one) is a Trump deadender. And yes, things that the President says that push those softer voters away and things that his opposition does matter in bringing people along.

Hispanics were already racing back to Dems. This will certainly help that cause. 

[Motown Bombers]

41 minutes ago, romad1 said:

I guess he figured something out. 

He was getting a lot of angry responses from his hardcore MAGA followers on Truth Social. Interestingly, nothing from our holier than thou MAGA poster. 

[Motown Bombers]

 

[1984Echoes]

13 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

This is a definite sign of Trump the Antichrist:

 

[romad1]

31 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Hispanics were already racing back to Dems. This will certainly help that cause. 

Can you imagine how the last year has educated them with experience. 

[Motown Bombers]

Just now, romad1 said:

Can you imagine how the last year has educated them with experience. 

I'm not sure what part of mass deportation they didn't understand. 

[romad1]

3 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

I'm not sure what part of mass deportation they didn't understand. 

The part they never heard because Trump's dark money flooded all their information inputs with nonsense. 

[mtutiger]

23 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

Hispanics were already racing back to Dems. This will certainly help that cause. 

Really, the two groups that have split with him the most (at least in polling, caveats apply) are Hispanics and Younger voters, both of whom are the most likely groups to make up the universe of "first time Trump voters" in 2024.

This is why I tend to push back pretty hard when people just write off all Trump voters as all being the same.... whether one agrees with their reasons or their logic for landing at the position they did, these particular groups didn't swing his way because they love his schtick or are balls-deep into the cult of Trump, these groups who swung his direction did so in a much more transactional way centering around delivering results on issues related to the economy and cost of living. And he's not doing that in so many different ways right now.

I get why people are gun shy about him and what he can do, but the tendency to build him up as this force of nature that cannot be stopped belies how damaged his standing is right now with the broader public.

[oblong]

I understand that sliver of voters but if they fell for his schtick in '24 then that tells me they are stupid and will fall for anything and can't be counted on.