Trumps Presidency 2025

[CMRivdogs]

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

[Sports_Freak]

18 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

It also takes away voters serving in the military overseas. As well as residents of nursing homes who can't vote in person, even if transportation was provided. 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

It also takes away voters serving in the military overseas. As well as residents of nursing homes who can't vote in person, even if transportation was provided. 

I don't think Trump will get any GOP support on this - as noted, forcing people to vote in person hits GOP constituencies  - the old and working class workers, the hardest.

[CMRivdogs]

Oakland County, Farmington Hills instituted "absentee, early voting, for senior citizens" several years ago. In Virginia we can ask for a mail in ballot. I get one and usually drop it off at the county registrar's office when my wife goes to vote. It's quick, and extremely easy. The ballots are read by an optical machine. Hanging Chad's are probably an ancient relic now.

Anyone who opposes this system is a loser and ckouldn't graduate from sixth grade unless their father paid someone off

[chasfh]

13 hours ago, guy incognito said:

He’s not planning to “close it for two years”. He’s planning to bulldoze it to the ground and erect some gilded horror in its place as yet another monument to himself.

I’m thinking modern-day Colosseum. Where he can stage his UFC matches or Hunger Games or damnatio ad bestias spectacles or whatever.

I think this is probably true. He's closing it well in advance of bulldozing so it falls off everyone's radar, people stop talking about it entirely, and then, suddenly, the bulldozers show up without warning or announcement. By the time people look up to see what's happening, the building will be half gone, the institution will have been abolished, and a grotesque replacement designed as a paean to elevating lowbrow culture will rise in its place.

[chasfh]

32 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

Between this and the other thing you posted, please tell me that the so-called leftists are not going to become publicly outraged that Epstein and Trump are racist because don't wanna **** underage black girls.

[chasfh]

31 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

We've had voting machines since the mid '60s on a regular basis if not before. I would say most machines are optical readers, leaving a paper trail. 

Getting rid of mail in ballots disenfranchises poor citizens, Ones that cannot afford to take the time off to stand in line at a polling place, do not have the means of getting there, or have employers that will not allow time off.

If you are going in that direction then declare it a national holiday, mandate that all businesses must be closed on election days and provide transportation for all who desire it. Also do away with absentee ballots. **** your planned vacation, if you want to vote, stay home. That includes all politician's as well.

The only people who think the current system is rigged are the ones trying to rig it 

Of course we had voting machines going back decades and elections went off just fine. Just better, actually, because their advent made it harder for election officials to doctor paper ballots after the fact and make sure their candidates appear to win.

[gehringer_2]

12 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Of course we had voting machines going back decades and elections went off just fine. Just better, actually, because their advent made it harder for election officials to doctor paper ballots after the fact and make sure their candidates appear to win.

LOL - I always distrusted these 'closet on wheels' machines with all the levers because you never got any kind of confirmation that it tallied. You would pull back the big red handle to open the curtain and all the levers you flipped down would flip back up and your votes were just gone - weren't they? (sort of like the Simpson banker clip?). 

These guys started showing up in the late 50's. The first election after I was in grade school was 1960 and I remember these bad boys lined up in the hallways prior the Nixon/Kennedy election.

Edited 1 hour ago by gehringer_2

[CMRivdogs]

If our Disruptor In Chief really wanted fair elections, he would suggest (not demand on his private social media) something like this.

1) Hand marked paper ballots. Standardized paper as to size and format.

2) Optical scanning of all ballots

3) Ballots counted when they are returned, results withheld until after election day. This includes both mail in and hand delivered early voting.

4) No pure electronic voting.

5) Standardized Audits, triggered automatically if the percentage of the vote is within certain perimeters (say 1-3%). The audits performed by independent parties (this maybe a stretch). All audit results must be transparent.

No pure electronic voting. There must be a paper trail

Independent and secure methods to transport ballots if moved to a central location.

Heavy fines for frivolous challenges,

Just a few thoughts. I have no objections to early voting, or mail in ballots. There must be cutoff dates for mail in ballots, say postmarked 10 before election day. Walk-in early voting ends the Friday before election day. I would leave most of this for the states to decide since elections are still run by the states and not the Federal Goverment, 

 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said:

. I would leave most of this for the states to decide since elections are still run by the states and not the Federal Goverment, 

That's the other thing. I'm sure all Trump has done with this screed is tick off more Texans by accusing them of not running an honest election. Texans are nothing if not proud.

[Sports_Freak]

1 hour ago, CMRivdogs said:

Oakland County, Farmington Hills instituted "absentee, early voting, for senior citizens" several years ago. In Virginia we can ask for a mail in ballot. I get one and usually drop it off at the county registrar's office when my wife goes to vote. It's quick, and extremely easy. The ballots are read by an optical machine. Hanging Chad's are probably an ancient relic now.

Anyone who opposes this system is a loser and ckouldn't graduate from sixth grade unless their father paid someone off

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

[smr-nj]

Just now, Sports_Freak said:

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

Without a doubt. 

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said:

LOL - I always distrusted these 'closet on wheels' machines with all the levers because you never got any kind of confirmation that it tallied. You would pull back the big red handle to open the curtain and all the levers you flipped down would flip back up and your votes were just gone - weren't they? (sort of like the Simpson banker clip?). 

These guys started showing up in the late 50's. The first election after I was in grade school was 1960 and I remember these bad boys lined up in the hallways prior the Nixon/Kennedy election.

Can you share with me why those machines are untrustworthy? I don’t know anything about them, specifically. 

Edited 13 minutes ago by chasfh

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

Its not only easier but it also gives a voter much more time and able to get more info about each candidate. I've been using mail in ballots for several years and I carefully look up each person before I vote for them. Mail in voting is fair, safe and more convenient, IMO.

No argument. It sure beats standing in line and running the gauntlet of "supporters" outside the polls.