Michigan Football 2025: Rebuilding an offense, hoping our defense remains solid

[Mr.TaterSalad]

Third and long and they check it underneath again. Moore needs to get better WR recruits and a creative OC next season or he's done.

[romad1]

That sucked.  We need more talent at WR.  

[Sports_Freak]

Disappointed but not surprised. Beating Ohio isnt easy, I'm just glad we beat them the last few years. This was their first win against us since 2019.

[MichiganCardinal]

Offense looked identical to last year. Rushing wasn’t good but got a few plays. Took advantage of one turnover, compared to two last year. Passing was nonexistent.

Defense was worse than last year, in part due to Ohio State having an actual game plan.

But ultimately nobody paid $10MM for this performance. Underwood has to be so much better.

 

[TP_Fan]

It’s hard to put it on the QB when the coaches set him up to fail. 

[buddha]

michigan played three good teams all year and got dominated by each of them.  they were extremely lucky to play such an easy schedule or they would have seen a repeat of last year.  or worse.

next year they wont be so lucky.  and they are likely to lose a lot of their best players on defense, a defense that was poor against any offense with a pulse.

ive never been a fan of sherrone moore.  he was too inexperienced to get this job and lucked into it by being able to hang around jim harbaugh for a few years and be in the right place at a time when michigan had no viable alternatives.  but he's shown nothing to indicate he can be the leader of an elite program.

next year is likely going to be another 3-4 loss season.  it will be the year after that when moore coaches for his job.  if they arent in the playoff mix in 2 years, he'll likely be fired.  a below .500 record next year (and with their schedule, its possible: osu, oregon, oklahoma, penn state, and indiana all on the sked) is on the table.

i know there was going to be some rebuilding after harbaugh left town, but they'll need to show some progress next year for me to believe he can build a real program and not just a mediocre one.

step one: fire wink and hire a good college defensive coordinator.

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, buddha said:

next year they wont be so luck

and it looks like they are going to waste Underwood . Either they don't have the coaching to develop what is there or they over recruited a bust. Bad look either way.

[buddha]

1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said:

and it looks like they are going to waste Underwood . Either they don't have the coaching to develop what is there or they over recruited a bust. Bad look either way.

i'm willing to give him a pass because he's a true freshman.  next year will be whether you can tell.  he's been up and down all year, and was god awful today.

[Deleterious]

They have to get a QB in the portal.  You can't close your eyes and hope Underwood improves.  The competition will be good for him, and it will be nice to have options if he falters.  

Of course, getting anyone worth a damn will be almost impossible, since Underwood will get more than his fair share of chances to keep his job.  

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Deleterious said:

They have to get a QB in the portal.  You can't close your eyes and hope Underwood improves.  The competition will be good for him, and it will be nice to have options if he falters.  

Of course, getting anyone worth a damn will be almost impossible, since Underwood will get more than his fair share of chances to keep his job.  

they're going to need a lot in the portal.

one of harbaugh's biggest strengths was finding 3 and 4 star kids and turning them into first round and secind round nfl defensive linemen.  i dont see too many of those in the pipeline.

[romad1]

If they had had Justice Haynes in the OSU game i don't know if would have seen a different outcome but I think it likely we would have scored a TD or two. 

We can see the quality gap.  OSU can pass and defend and we were lacking on the DL against elite opponents.   Wink may have been the issue with the D.  Plenty of people who I tend to trust were frustrated as hell with his defenses. 

On offense:  Marsh is the truth when it comes to WR and Mcculley was pretty good and a decent B1G mid-tier WR.  The TEs were ok but I think Marlin Klein was a huge drop in talent from Colston Loveland.  They need to recruit OSU/Indiana-style awesome WRs to go with the Hiter and Haynes RB recruitments/transfers.   Underwood was and is on the same track as JJ McCarthy in a true freshman year.  I think the jump between first and second year will be enormous for him. 

JB Brown needs to be moved to a different position and they need to bring in a superstar ST coordinator to make that a weapon again like it was under Harbaugh's kid Jay. 

[romad1]

Just now, romad1 said:

If they had had Justice Haynes in the OSU game i don't know if would have seen a different outcome but I think it likely we would have scored a TD or two. 

We can see the quality gap.  OSU can pass and defend and we were lacking on the DL against elite opponents.   Wink may have been the issue with the D.  Plenty of people who I tend to trust were frustrated as hell with his defenses. 

On offense:  Marsh is the truth when it comes to WR and Mcculley was pretty good and a decent B1G mid-tier WR.  The TEs were ok but I think Marlin Klein was a huge drop in talent from Colston Loveland.  They need to recruit OSU/Indiana-style awesome WRs to go with the Hiter and Haynes RB recruitments/transfers.   Underwood was and is on the same track as JJ McCarthy in a true freshman year.  I think the jump between first and second year will be enormous for him. 

JB Brown needs to be moved to a different position and they need to bring in a superstar ST coordinator to make that a weapon again like it was under Harbaugh's kid Jay. 

The OL was mostly excellent considering all the injuries.  I think they have a bright future.  

[romad1]

Hausman missed on Saturday?  I think the young man had best be thinking of a career path that doesn't include the NFL if he's going to ditch on his team for whatever reason.  The people who might draft a LB won't do that in the top 3 rounds if they can't rely on him to play in critical games.  

[Adullin]

Quarterback lost that game. Men running wide open all game just erratic 

[Hongbit]

23 hours ago, romad1 said:

If they had had Justice Haynes in the OSU game i don't know if would have seen a different outcome but I think it likely we would have scored a TD or two. 

We can see the quality gap.  OSU can pass and defend and we were lacking on the DL against elite opponents.   Wink may have been the issue with the D.  Plenty of people who I tend to trust were frustrated as hell with his defenses. 

On offense:  Marsh is the truth when it comes to WR and Mcculley was pretty good and a decent B1G mid-tier WR.  The TEs were ok but I think Marlin Klein was a huge drop in talent from Colston Loveland.  They need to recruit OSU/Indiana-style awesome WRs to go with the Hiter and Haynes RB recruitments/transfers.   Underwood was and is on the same track as JJ McCarthy in a true freshman year.  I think the jump between first and second year will be enormous for him. 

JB Brown needs to be moved to a different position and they need to bring in a superstar ST coordinator to make that a weapon again like it was under Harbaugh's kid Jay. 

There’s so much talent on that OSU defense that pretty much any loser off the street could coach them to championship level. 

[4hzglory]

4 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

There’s so much talent on that OSU defense that pretty much any loser off the street could coach them to championship level. 

Maybe, but with the talent they lost to the draft, especially on the DL (where they haven't recruited as well (relatively) and LB , there were definitely questions of whether they would be as good as last year.  

As skeptical as I was about Patricia, he has drawn nothing but rave reviews from the players for how he has utilized their talents and worked around them compared to Knowles trying to force the players to play in his system.  It's shocking to see how flexible Patricia has been and made the defense considerably better than last year, even if last year's was more talented (which I think it was)

[romad1]

48 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

There’s so much talent on that OSU defense that pretty much any loser off the street could coach them to championship level. 

I saw that in practice. 

[RedTeamGo!]

On 12/1/2025 at 3:39 PM, Hongbit said:

There’s so much talent on that OSU defense that pretty much any loser off the street could coach them to championship level. 

This is complete and utter nonsense. 

We literally saw Kerry Coombs coach a team with similar talent levels to one of the worst defenses in the big 10. Then, Knowles, who was supposed to be some kind of mastermind thought it was a good idea to give up some explosive plays. OSU always has elite talent, this is the best anyone has done with it in our lifetimes. Literally. 

[RedTeamGo!]

On 11/29/2025 at 3:35 PM, romad1 said:

That sucked.  We need more talent at WR.  

I don't get this. I watched The Game on saturday and saw a young QB who was throwing balls 10 feet over the heads of his WRs. Throwing 90 mph fastballs on screen passes. That last INT, while it hit the WR in the hands, was thrown 100 mph with nobody around him. Why? 

That DPI on the sideline called against Mathews, for example, was uncatchable. Was literally 10 yards out of bounds. That crap isn't on the WRs. I would take Marsh in the OSU WR room in a heartbeat. 

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[RedTeamGo!]

1 minute ago, RedTeamGo! said:

dp. 

 

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[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, RedTeamGo! said:

I don't get this. I watched The Game on saturday and saw a young QB who was throwing balls 10 feet over the heads of his WRs. Throwing 90 mph fastballs on screen passes. That last INT, while it hit the WR in the hands, was thrown 100 mph with nobody around him. Why? 

That DPI on the sideline called against Mathews, for example, was uncatchable. Was literally 10 yards out of bounds. That crap isn't on the WRs. I would take Marsh in the OSU WR room in a heartbeat. 

No doubt, Underwood has not learned anything about touch. It makes you wonder if he actually has any feel for the game. I remember years ago the Lions had a QB named Bill Munson - he was a contemporary of Greg Landry,  Same thing, threw everything like a Nolan Ryan heater - even pro receivers couldn't handle it.