2025 MLB Thread

[Tiger337]

I have read a lot about the Marichal/Roseboro incident before, but I had never seen that video.  They either did not capture the initial attack or edited it out.  It is possible that it was edited out because it was reportedly shocking and sickening.  It,of course, would not be edited out today. There would be so many versions of it, that it would show up somewhere.  I did see #27 Marichal with a raised bat during the brawl.  I saw #28 Wes Parker with a bat too.  He was playing first base at the time, so I wonder where he got the bat.  Did he run back to the dugout to get a bat, so he could defend his teammate?  

[tiger2022]

If it happened today, Marichal might get a lifetime ban and rightfully so.

[papalawrence]

Red Sox release Walker Buehler. Back to LAD? Might Harris see if Det can get him on track? His whip has been 1.500+ post TJ. I do think someone will give him a shot

[theroundsquare]

I was really hot for the Tigers to sign Buehler in the offseason.  I guess he was better than Alex Cobb?  I suppose the question is, was Buehler better than whoever the Tigers used because Cobb turned up gimpy.  I think probably not.

[chasfh]

7 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I have read a lot about the Marichal/Roseboro incident before, but I had never seen that video.  They either did not capture the initial attack or edited it out.  It is possible that it was edited out because it was reportedly shocking and sickening.  It,of course, would not be edited out today. There would be so many versions of it, that it would show up somewhere.  I did see #27 Marichal with a raised bat during the brawl.  I saw #28 Wes Parker with a bat too.  He was playing first base at the time, so I wonder where he got the bat.  Did he run back to the dugout to get a bat, so he could defend his teammate?  

I disagree. It would totally be edited out today, I think perhaps even more likely than it would have been 40 or 50 years ago. There's no way MLB would allow a similar incident happening today to be shown in all it's gory, and their media partners would all comply, and actually agree, if for no other reason than to mollify antsy advertisers. Sickening their viewers is bad for the media business. That's partly why during wartime, as in Iraq, embedded media did not show combat as they did during Vietnam.

User-generated videos would be a different case. If someone happened to catch an entire attack like that on video, it would probably show up on YouTube, and in that case I would doubt that YouTube would take it down.

[Tiger337]

Just now, chasfh said:

I disagree. It would totally be edited out today, I think perhaps even more likely than it would have been 40 or 50 years ago. There's no way MLB would allow a similar incident happening today to be shown in all it's gory, and their media partners would all comply, and actually agree, if for no other reason than to mollify antsy advertisers. Sickening their viewers is bad for the media business. That's partly why during wartime, as in Iraq, embedded media did not show combat as they did during Vietnam.

User-generated videos would be a different case. If someone happened to catch an entire attack like that on video, it would probably show up on YouTube, and in that case I would doubt that YouTube would take it down.

Then you aren't really disagreeing.  I think somebody somewhere would have caught it and it would have ended up on something like youtube and youtube and social media are at least as influential now as most traditional media

[chasfh]

3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Then you aren't really disagreeing.  I think somebody somewhere would have caught it and it would have ended up on something like youtube and youtube and social media are at least as influential now as most traditional media

I was disagreeing with the idea that a major broadcaster would not edit it out. When you say “would not be edited out”, you can only be referring to the professional editing crew of a major broadcaster, since individual users are not expected to engage in editing of the sort, for reasons such as propriety, that major broadcasters must. YouTube doesn’t engage in that sort of editing per se—their only recourse is removing the video from their platform, which is censorship rather than editing.

[Tiger337]

5 minutes ago, chasfh said:

I was disagreeing with the idea that a major broadcaster would not edit it out. When you say “would not be edited out”, you can only be referring to the professional editing crew of a major broadcaster, since individual users are not expected to engage in editing of the sort, for reasons such as propriety, that major broadcasters must. YouTube doesn’t engage in that sort of editing per se—their only recourse is removing the video from their platform, which is censorship rather than editing.

ok

[Arlington]

I saw more than a few bats dragged out in the brawl  WTF were they thinking back then.  

I came on line because I was looking at the Tigers boxscore and noted how all the players OPS were similar.  Tigers went from 1 through 8 with just a 90-point range in OPS (Dingler 751 to Greene 841).  Baez was an outlier adding 55 points to the total range.  I looked around at other box scores and no other team came close to the consistency of the Tigers in OPS.  Most of their ranges were in two to three hundred, even more points.  Sometimes the OPS would vary by hundreds within the first three hitters. 

I would venture that that consistency batter to batter is a big factor in the Tigers winning.  Baseball is a team that relies on multiple players doing well before three outs are made and having an even leveled team gives good results more often.  For example, a team that leads off with a .922 OPS followed by a 680 may have a higher combined OPS than a 767 (Keith) and 767 (Torres) but does the Tiger pair lead to more scoring? 

I didn't look at every team but of the ones I did, only Milwaukee approached the Tigers in this measure.  I think their range was 50 points more and like the Tigers the top of the range was below 850.  No MVP like superstar but solid batters throughout.  Toronto also had a relatively limited range aside from Springer.  So total OPS is important but how that OPS is distributed may also be very important.

  

 

Edited Saturday at 04:59 AM by Arlington

[papalawrence]

JV pitched well and won again. ERA down to 4.29. I wouldn't be shocked if Harris brings him in for a year. 

[1776]

JV was averaging right at 25 pitches per inning through the first four innings. I think he went back out to start the fifth at 95-96 pitches. They wanted him to get the win so it was his call as to whether he would continue beyond four innings. Of course he went back out for the fifth and finished up with 117 pitches as I recall. 
He struck out 10 batters and battled all day. He said that he didn’t have his best stuff. Early walks ran his count up. In the end, he gave up nothing. If there was ever a time for the, “gutting it out,” expression, this was it. Not to mention, the SF temperature at game time was around 85 degrees. That’s 20 degrees above their average game time temp out there. 
The Giants have blown four or five of his leads after he left a game this year. Yesterday was a very rare day that he got offensive support. And yes, he’s had some bad outings as well. My wife and I are big JV fans. We make it a point to watch his starts if at all possible. 
A couple of starts ago he said that this is one of the most trying years for him on the field. 
JV has been total class this year. The Giants have some younger pitchers on that staff behind Logan Webb and Robbie Ray. Verlander has been a very good influence on the younger guys there. His start yesterday was a good example. 
 

[1776]

8 hours ago, papalawrence said:

JV pitched well and won again. ERA down to 4.29. I wouldn't be shocked if Harris brings him in for a year. 

For their own reasons, I don’t see the Tigers being interested in Verlander. Harris signing a guy like Cobb, who was already going to miss time from the beginning, over JV made no sense to me.

[chasfh]

42 minutes ago, 1776 said:

For their own reasons, I don’t see the Tigers being interested in Verlander. Harris signing a guy like Cobb, who was already going to miss time from the beginning, over JV made no sense to me.

Maybe it’s a clubhouse chemistry thing. I sensed that Harris was eager for Cabrera to finally leave and get his team past that era so they could become their own thing, to themselves and to their city. Bringing in Verlander would move us back into that era. That may or may not be good for the team, but at least the older fans would like it.

[oblong]

45 minutes ago, chasfh said:

Maybe it’s a clubhouse chemistry thing. I sensed that Harris was eager for Cabrera to finally leave and get his team past that era so they could become their own thing, to themselves and to their city. Bringing in Verlander would move us back into that era. That may or may not be good for the team, but at least the older fans would like it.

I’m hip to that.  This team bonded last year and I’m sure built up its own internal chemistry and hierarchy.  JV is a strong personality.  Maybe they know something about his philosophies and that doesn’t vibe with Fetter. 
 

but I also can go with the idea that if Harris knew what he knows now he’d have done it.  Maybe we are overthinking it.  
 

Like it makes sense to not do it for sentimental reasons-JVs legacy, coming home, etc.  But also don’t do it for sentimental reasons in the sense of chemistry and any kind of big dog conflict with Skubal   This contradicts each other. So yeah, maybe Harris and Co were just wrong.  It happens.  

[monkeytargets39]

Verlander isn’t coming back.  Not should he.  

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, oblong said:

 So yeah, maybe Harris and Co were just wrong.  

[gehringer_2]

One one hand, at this point Charlie Morton and Justin Verlander are the same guy so it probably doesn't impact what happens on the mound every 5th day much if you traded one out for the other. OTOH, Morton is not a distraction from the team focus on winning today's game each day; it's hard to see how Verlander could fail to be, even if he was trying his best not to be, and there is no guarantee that he would be. So- not a move I would make.

Edited yesterday at 04:37 PM by gehringer_2

[Edman85]

Charlie Morton and Alex Cobb would embrace pitching chaos if age started to marginalize them. No way would Verlander...

[gehringer_2]

3 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

Charlie Morton and Alex Cobb would embrace pitching chaos if age started to marginalize them. No way would Verlander...

Yup - JV had made no secret that his ambition was to be the last pitcher with 300 wins and that's what he was playing for. Whether reality has set in and the Sun has set on that ambition to where he just wants to play and compete, I have no idea.

[casimir]

Its possible Harris sniffed around the idea of bringing Verlander back but the interest wasn't mutual.

[chasfh]

I would bet money Harris never had even an unserious talk with the Giants about picking up Verlander. G2 put it right: once Verlander stated his career goals in personal achievement terms, that made him wrong for this organization.

I could see our signing Verlander to a one-day ceremonial contract to retire as a Tiger, since that would both mollify fans and have zero effect on the organization's development. Then again, I could see him doing that with the Astros as well.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

I would bet money Harris never had even an unserious talk with the Giants about picking up Verlander. G2 put it right: once Verlander stated his career goals in personal achievement terms, that made him wrong for this organization.

I could see our signing Verlander to a one-day ceremonial contract to retire as a Tiger, since that would both mollify fans and have zero effect on the organization's development. Then again, I could see him doing that with the Astros as well.

How is a one day contract going to mollify fans? 

[chasfh]

29 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

How is a one day contract going to mollify fans? 

It's for the people who want to see him retire as a Tiger for life and go into the Hall in a Tigers cap. I acknowledge that you don't care.

Edited 3 hours ago by chasfh