Edman85 Posted October 6 Posted October 6 12 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: In half of Skubal starts this year, the Tigers scored three or fewer runs. 6 times we lost games when Skubal allowed 3 or less earned runs. By comparison, the Rockies averaged 3.69 runs per game, which was last in the MLB If we had a league average offense when Skubal takes the mound in those games (4.45 runs per game), we could’ve won 5 more of his starts this year (15% more of his starts this year) Deep down, there’s gotta be a frustration with that for Tarik even if he doesn’t say it. If we expect this guy to consider staying with us after next season, the offense has to be improved next year—especially when he is on the mound. Granted, a lot of his matchups are against the other teams top starter—but we absolutely have to figure out how to improve there. Side note, we are only slightly below average 4.40/game in all of Skubal starts this year, but we only scored 6 or more runs in his starts 10 times this year and only 3 times post-all star break. So the numbers are heavily skewed by early season games. I am not sure the folded part is true. Even before the days of rotation chaos, that rarely held true but for some reason exists as a talking point. 1 Quote
lordstanley Posted October 6 Posted October 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, gehringer_2 said: they would have to come up with some better discriminator though - two baseball stadia within 60 miles with the same name shouldn't happen. The Jays play in downtown Toronto at the Rogers Centre, formerly the Skydome. A new concert venue opened this summer north of downtown but still in the city, with the name ...Rogers Stadium. Many news stories of tourists or even locals seeing "Rogers Stadium, Toronto" on their ticket and showing up to the downtown venue instead of the new one, leaving themselves a couple of hours to get to the new one in time once they found out. Edited October 6 by lordstanley Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 6 Posted October 6 35 minutes ago, Edman85 said: I am not sure the folded part is true. Even before the days of rotation chaos, that rarely held true but for some reason exists as a talking point. Looking at game logs, it’s definitely been closer to true later in the season than it was earlier in the year. Overall you’re probably correct. We aren’t really scoring on any quality of pitcher. Quote
chasfh Posted October 7 Posted October 7 On 10/4/2025 at 8:12 AM, romad1 said: 30 years from now we will be telling our grandchildren that we remember Daniella during rain delay question time. Hope she has that kind of career. She is a protege of Dan Dickerson's wife apparently. What does Dan Dickerson's wife do that she is in a position to mentor Daniella Bruce? Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 22 minutes ago, chasfh said: What does Dan Dickerson's wife do that she is in a position to mentor Daniella Bruce? Wears skirts? Quote
romad1 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 7 hours ago, chasfh said: What does Dan Dickerson's wife do that she is in a position to mentor Daniella Bruce? Is some sort of lady professor at Michigan State University of cow counting and great ice cream Quote
romad1 Posted October 7 Posted October 7 (edited) 1 minute ago, romad1 said: Is some sort of lady professor at Michigan State University of cow counting and great ice cream From wikipedia Quote Personal life Dickerson lives in Clarkston, Michigan with his wife Lori Anne, a journalism professor at Michigan State University, and their children Rachel and Justin.[18] My son goes to MSU but does not study cows or ice cream. Edited October 7 by romad1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 7 Posted October 7 5 hours ago, romad1 said: From wikipedia My son goes to MSU but does not study cows or ice cream. Mine, too. Majoring in Lacrosse, unfortunately. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) On 10/6/2025 at 12:48 PM, monkeytargets39 said: If we had a league average offense If I have one critique of the way Harris builds a team and Hinch runs it, it's that they are too in love with left hand bats and trying to play for platoon advantage. It's a short term cheap thrill but it will bite you in the end, as it has this Tiger team. In general, LH hitters have worse platoon splits than righties, so when the chips are down and your opponent brings in a LHP, you are screwed. And if you don't let your LH play against against LH, their platoon splits will only continue to get worse. And we've managed to take the one lefty we had that did hit LHP and somehow turn him into a guy that now can't (Riley). I don't care if guys are LH or RH, find hitters that hit pitching from both side more uniformly and you will have a much more consistent offense that will be able to perform against a team with balanced pitching in a playoff when the chips are down. And yes, those players are harder to find, keep, but that's the job. Edited October 8 by gehringer_2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Just now, gehringer_2 said: And if you don't let your LH play against against LH, their platoon splits will only continue to get worse. Is there any evidence of this? You would think that they would get better, but I don't know that they do. Or maybe they get slightly better, but not enough to justify all the outs they make waiting for them to make a small improvement. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: but not enough to justify all the outs they make waiting for them to make a small improvement. well granted the inverse certainly hasn't been true for RIley. He plays against LHP but his splits have continued to get worse for 3 straight years. So maybe chasing a heavy LH lineup is just always a mistake? Edited October 8 by gehringer_2 Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 On 10/6/2025 at 12:48 PM, monkeytargets39 said: Deep down, there’s gotta be a frustration with that for Tarik even if he doesn’t say it. If we expect this guy to consider staying with us after next season, the offense has to be improved Skubal isn't coming back. There is no advantage for him to stay on a franchise that just hopes they can win. The trade deadline activity alone should show that the franchise just hopes they don't have to do anything and everything will work out. The Tigers won't make him a realistic offer. The owner has made it clear winning isn't his priority and he doesn't want to spend money on players. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 9 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: Skubal isn't coming back. There is no advantage for him to stay on a franchise that just hopes they can win. The trade deadline activity alone should show that the franchise just hopes they don't have to do anything and everything will work out. The Tigers won't make him a realistic offer. The owner has made it clear winning isn't his priority and he doesn't want to spend money on players. I don't see it either. He's the team's union rep is he not? And he's a Boras client. That's just not the profile of a guy that isn't looking beyond his rookie team. And why shouldn't he? That's the system - he didn't write the CBA or the baseball media set-up and he's not responsible for the fact that the system it creates mean guys that can move on to the big markets to get paid. Edited October 8 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 8 Posted October 8 I think Skubal will be open to a return. And I believe the Tigers will make a reasonable effort to retain him. However, I think what he’ll command and get will be unreasonable and he’ll ultimately be overpaid by someone else. It won’t be because the Tigers are cheap (always a lazy, false narrative) or because Skubal was greedy. Just business. 4 2 Quote
lordstanley Posted October 8 Posted October 8 16 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: I think Skubal will be open to a return. And I believe the Tigers will make a reasonable effort to retain him. However, I think what he’ll command and get will be unreasonable and he’ll ultimately be overpaid by someone else. It won’t be because the Tigers are cheap (always a lazy, false narrative) or because Skubal was greedy. Just business. I agree. It not only won't be because the Tigers are cheap but also won't be because he thinks the Tigers aren't competitive or trying to win. The Tigers have made the LDS two straight years. Most years the AL Central will be among the weakest of divisions. The Tigers' 2025 season might end on the same day as that of the Cubs and Yankees, while the Mets among others are already done. The Tigers should have their share of playoff appearances over the 5-7 next years where Skubal could further make a name for himself if he stayed. But he will leave as a business decision, fine. 1 Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 A team that didn't try to improve in the offseason. They went into the season with Trey Sweeney and Jace Jung as their SS and 3rd baseman. Neither of those guys can hit. They wanted Colt Keith as their 1st baseman to start the season. He would easily be a bottom 3 offensive 1st baseman and possibly the worst defensive one. They got garage sale level players at the trade deadline. And while they might throw money at Skubal, they are not going to spend on other positions at the same time. 0% chance he re-signs with Detroit. Quote
chasfh Posted October 9 Posted October 9 12 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: In general, LH hitters have worse platoon splits than righties, so when the chips are down and your opponent brings in a LHP, you are screwed. And if you don't let your LH play against against LH, their platoon splits will only continue to get worse. And we've managed to take the one lefty we had that did hit LHP and somehow turn him into a guy that now can't (Riley). I don't care if guys are LH or RH, find hitters that hit pitching from both side more uniformly and you will have a much more consistent offense that will be able to perform against a team with balanced pitching in a playoff when the chips are down. And yes, those players are harder to find, keep, but that's the job. I get what you're trying to say, but do you really want to train LHBs to hit LHPs during the playoffs? Forcing a change of course during the postseason doesn't seem to make so much sense, for obvious reasons. And even if we did try to iron out those differences, it might not succeed anyway. And maybe they already have tried and it hasn't worked out so well? And even if they did have some measure of success at improving he performance of LHBs against LHPs, when the rubber meets the road in the playoffs, is forcing a guy who's historically bad against LHPs to hit against them at the defining point of the season the right move? Because if they do that and fail, you know what the blowback against it is going to be, right? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 9 Posted October 9 41 minutes ago, chasfh said: get what you're trying to say, but do you really want to train LHBs to hit LHPs during the playoffs? of course not - In my OP on this suject up the page a bit the topic is about team construction, not day to to day operations. For better (hopefully) or worse, the current Tigers are what they are. But I will stand by the argument that loading your team with lefties is a dubious strategy if your lefties are all going to fall off against LHP the way Riley has or more generally, have much worse splits than the typical RHB. Riley's case is esp disappointing because when we drafted Riley, there was a lot of ink spilled on how hard he had worked since grade school to make sure he could hit LHP, and which he was doing reasonably well up until this season. Of course he hit a HR against a lefty today just to make a liar of me . I can live with it. Quote
Mr.TaterSalad Posted October 9 Posted October 9 5/3 Field or 5/3 Park sounds so underwhelming. At least with Comerica we've grown accustomed to it and can even nickname it Copa. I don't think I'll ever call it 5/3 whatever, just like I never called Pine Knob DTE. Quote
Tenacious D Posted October 9 Posted October 9 1 hour ago, Mr.TaterSalad said: 5/3 Field or 5/3 Park sounds so underwhelming. At least with Comerica we've grown accustomed to it and can even nickname it Copa. I don't think I'll ever call it 5/3 whatever, just like I never called Pine Knob DTE. Always hated math Quote
IdahoBert Posted October 9 Author Posted October 9 Let’s just all make a sacred blood pact that in defiance we will immediately start calling it TIGER STADIUM as soon as the new signage goes up. 1 Quote
oblong Posted October 9 Posted October 9 Why is it Tiger Stadium when the Detroit Tigers played there? Should it have been Tigers Stadium? Why do we singularize the plural? Same with Yankee Stadium for the New York Yankees. Would the Colorado Rockies play in "Rockie Stadium"? Quote
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