1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Who said anything about Harris "publicizing" Skubal up for auction? There IS something called "working the phones", FYI. And Dodgers' Sheehan & Dreyer are IN the majors; Freeland is in AAA... Phillies' Painter and Crawford are in AAA, Kerkering is in MLB since 2023. I did my homework thank you very much. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 19 minutes ago, chasfh said: ... the only way we would put Skubal “up for auction” is if we have a complete collapse this season and next and we become sellers at next year’s deadline... This is not true. Please call Scott Boras for more information. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 20 Posted July 20 The CBA will factor into this. Manfred is already publicly saying the owners want a salary cap. Strong chance of a lockout. Quote
chasfh Posted July 20 Posted July 20 9 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Who said anything about Harris "publicizing" Skubal up for auction? There IS something called "working the phones", FYI. And Dodgers' Sheehan & Dreyer are IN the majors; Freeland is in AAA... Phillies' Painter and Crawford are in AAA, Kerkering is in MLB since 2023. I did my homework thank you very much. Thank you for educating me on the concept of “working the phones.” If Harris “works the phones” with multiple teams regarding Skubal, I promise you that will become public in short order. I predict Harris will not “work the phones” to move Skubal this winter. Quote
Arlington Posted July 20 Posted July 20 I think they would rather go for it all in 2026 and receive a compensation pick as worse case scenario. I expect them to go all out on signing him this winter. He's money. Quote
tiger2022 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 They better go all in now and pick up some arms and a few bats. Skubal will be gone soon. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 hours ago, chasfh said: While it is possible that Harris will trade Skubal before his time here is up, the only way we would put Skubal “up for auction” is if we have a complete collapse this season and next and we become sellers at next year’s deadline. The chances that Harris publicizes an auction for Skubal this winter is zero, +/- 0, and that goes double if we make the playoffs as currently projected. If we do end up trading him this winter—which would catch the media and public complete unaware—then in addition to multiple Pipeline-numbered prospects, the package would also have to include one major league starting pitcher, someone who projected to take a spot in next year’s rotation, as well as one hitter we can plug into the big league lineup on opening day next year. No way does Harris take five or six or however many lottery tickets alone for the guy who will be sporting back-to-back Cy Youngs. I agree it would be for multiple major league players with multiple years of control playing positions of need. But I expect Skubal stays all of 2026 and we settle for the camp pick and two playoff runs Quote
AlaskanTigersFan Posted July 20 Author Posted July 20 1 hour ago, SoCalTiger said: I agree it would be for multiple major league players with multiple years of control playing positions of need. But I expect Skubal stays all of 2026 and we settle for the camp pick and two playoff runs How's that working out for the Angels w/ Shoehei...... If we were smart, we'd deal Skubs this winter.... Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 8 hours ago, SoCalTiger said: I agree it would be for multiple major league players with multiple years of control playing positions of need. But I expect Skubal stays all of 2026 and we settle for the camp pick and two playoff runs Getting MLB or MLB-ready players may constitute a "reload" instead of a capitulation. I prefer the "reload" method that STILL has us hunting 2026 playoffs, even without Skubal. That's why the Dodgers win the offers with Sheehan & Dreyer & Freeland OR the Phillies win with Painter, Kerkering and Crawford. Quote
4hzglory Posted July 20 Posted July 20 8 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: How's that working out for the Angels w/ Shoehei...... If we were smart, we'd deal Skubs this winter.... the Angels didn’t have a team that had a realistic shot at the World Series. 1 Quote
HugoD Posted July 20 Posted July 20 I’m torn on this. As much as I appreciate having a true ace with a seemingly great makeup and attitude, I’m also reticent to commit long term resources to a SP. With Skubes it’s just the potential for another catastrophic injury. One the one hand, he has a solid lower body build, but I’m not expert enough to analyze his motion and if it lends itself to another arm/shoulder problem, though I trust the organization has that expertise. On the other hand, guys like him can be strong for another 10 years, and are extremely hard to find. You can commit $40mm a year to him, or spend at least half of that per year plugging the gaps - assuming you’re perennially in the playoff hunt. Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 20 Posted July 20 there is a long lockout coming in 2027, as the owners wants a harder cap and the players are not going to cave on that. not impossible to believe that Skubal decides to sign before end of 2026 World Series, if he thinks new CBA will be more friendly to younger players and less friendly to superstars. maybe that creates an opening 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 But at the start of 2027, Skubal will be 30 years old. I know he has tree-trunk legs like Nolan Ryan... and maybe he has zero health issues during a 10-year contract... But is that the best risk for the Tigers Organization? 10 years of Skubal at $40-50 mill per annum at ages 30-39? Can we pay him $52 mill per year for six years so $312 Mill ages 30-35? I would do that... but would Skubal/Boras? The years, even though he's a stud, is the most difficult part. And with a young core coming up, Jobe not even a full year... It looks REALLY attractive to do a timeline reset while STILL remaining playoff-competitive with a Painter-Jobe+ or a Sheehan-Jobe+ rotation. We would be playoff capable in 2026 with either of those packages. And I think we would receive a haul with Skubes. 3 highly regarded pitchers and a couple position players/ studs (depending on the package...)? I'm just guessing... But I am very open for a "reload" if it makes the most sense for the Org. My 2 cents. 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: there is a long lockout coming in 2027, as the owners want... Maybe this gets us our hometown discount with Skubes... We shall see... Quote
tiger2022 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 15 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: . And I think we would receive a haul with Skubes. 3 highly regarded pitchers and a couple position players/ studs (depending on the package? That seems like a lot for a team to cough up for 1 year if Skubal. The Tigers couldn't get a package even close to that last year near the trade deadline and that would have been 2 and a half years of team control. And the team that is going to sign him as a FA would likely just wait until he is a FA. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Every team always has to be planning for the replacement of every player at some point. It's only ever a difference of when, not if. It seems recently the value of rentals or guys with short control seems to have dropped to the point that you get more total value out of just keeping the player through the final year yourself, take the best advantage you can of the high value low cost proposition through that last year and just plan for the loss. Maybe that won't be true with SKubal and the Tigers get a good deal, or maybe he signs, but I won't be surprised or disappointed if they just keep him through to his FA and then let him walk. I used to think that was bad management but I've changed my mind about it. 1 1 Quote
Nate7474 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: Every team always has to be planning for the replacement of every player at some point. It's only ever a difference of when, not if. It seems recently the value of rentals or guys with short control seems to have dropped to the point that you get more total value out of just keeping the player through the final year yourself, take the best advantage you can of the high value low cost proposition through that last year and just plan for the loss. Maybe that won't be true with SKubal and the Tigers get a good deal, or maybe he signs, but I won't be surprised or disappointed if they just keep him through to his FA and then let him walk. I used to think that was bad management but I've changed my mind about it. I think the bad management comes from what stage of competing you are in. If you are playoff bound but smaller market then it makes sense to keep them as long as possible then let them walk to try and win it all. if you are not competitive then it’s probably malpractice to let them walk and not trade for additional assets. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 2 minutes ago, Nate7474 said: I think the bad management comes from what stage of competing you are in. Yes - that certainly has to be a factor. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: ... It seems recently the value of rentals or guys with short control seems to have dropped to the point that you get more total value ... 44 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: ... The Tigers couldn't get a package even close to that last year near the trade deadline and that would have been 2 and a half years of team control. And the team that is going to sign him as a FA would likely just wait until he is a FA. Two flip sides: Both the Dodgers and the Phillies (Dombrowski) are HIGHLY motivated purchasers of talent. And whoever gets their hands on him first (meaning this offseason) will quickly hand out a Boras-sized extension. IMO. Getting him first is a flip side I believe. And will have both, and maybe another team or two willing to make really big offers... But we'll see. Second flip side: Skubal wins his second Cy Young award this year and I think those same teams will trip over each other trying to give Harris the "best offer". (Or a deal "he can't refuse".) IMO. Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 20 Posted July 20 Signing Skubal to anything beyond a 6-year deal would be reckless. Let’s enjoy him for his prime and let some other team pay him for his decline. 2 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 20 Posted July 20 i would go 8/320; and since they control him for one more year, just make it 9/360. all done. now on to Greene. Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 20 Posted July 20 43 minutes ago, RatkoVarda said: i would go 8/320; and since they control him for one more year, just make it 9/360. all done... But you have to get Skubal and Boras to agree to that... That's the tricky part. And they BOTH know they can bank oodles more than that offer on the open market... Sorry... but no deal. NOT done. Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 20 Posted July 20 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: i would go 8/320; and since they control him for one more year, just make it 9/360. all done. now on to Greene. And that equates to 400 million from the Dodgers given the 13% v 4% State tax difference Quote
Nate7474 Posted July 20 Posted July 20 20 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: But you have to get Skubal and Boras to agree to that... That's the tricky part. And they BOTH know they can bank oodles more than that offer on the open market... Sorry... but no deal. NOT done. I don't think Skubal and Boras would be the one saying no to that contract. Tigers I dont think have any plans of offering that size of contract. They might be willing to go to 40 mil a year or even slightly higher then that but I think it shortens the length of the contract. This reason is ultimately why I think if healthy thru the rest of this year and next that Skubal walks. I wouldn't blame either party if he did, it's just business. Quote
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