Cruzer1 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 4 hours ago, Longgone said: He’s a prospect. Most wash out and most won’t even reach their ceilings. However, when they do, it’s exciting, but I doubt anyone can reliably predict who it’s going to be. That’s why you collect as many as you can. I think some guys are underrated because they don't play a premium position, or all they do is hit. Gimme hitters, please! 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Cruzer1 said: I think some guys are underrated because they don't play a premium position, or all they do is hit. Gimme hitters, please! You sound like a fantasy baseball owner! 1 Quote
NateCornejo4life Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Microline, other than his defensive shortcomings, why do you believe Briceño is overrated? His stats, given his age are impressive. Just curious. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 6 Posted July 6 4 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I am not agreeing or disagreeing with micro on Briceno, but someone can be ranked high by all prospect sites and still be overrated. The prospect rankings have a great deal of uncertainty and I think they sometimes copy each other. I put "highly" overrated in quotes for a reason. It's one thing to call a prospect overrated. If you put "highly" in there I would expect some reasoning. Since the AZ Fall league he's hit 25 HR in ~280 at-bats. Quote
Longgone Posted July 6 Posted July 6 4 hours ago, papalawrence said: I put "highly" overrated in quotes for a reason. It's one thing to call a prospect overrated. If you put "highly" in there I would expect some reasoning. Since the AZ Fall league he's hit 25 HR in ~280 at-bats. Underrated overrated, it doesn’t really matter because any analysis is just a point in time along the development curve, and no one really knows how much anyone is going to progress and develop and adapt. It’s just a guess, some more educated than others. 2 1 Quote
Hinchman11 Posted July 8 Posted July 8 (edited) On 7/6/2025 at 2:49 PM, papalawrence said: I put "highly" overrated in quotes for a reason. It's one thing to call a prospect overrated. If you put "highly" in there I would expect some reasoning. Since the AZ Fall league he's hit 25 HR in ~280 at-bats. IB/Dh with little positional value on a team with Carp, Tork, JHen shouldn’t be viewed as an untouchable in trades for an impact player. That’s my interpretation that we should be ok, even though a lot will overreact. Edited July 8 by Hinchman11 Quote
SoCalTiger Posted July 8 Posted July 8 22 minutes ago, Hinchman11 said: IB/Dh with little positional value on a team with Carp, Tork, JHen shouldn’t be viewed as an untouchable in trades for an impact player. That’s my interpretation that we should be ok, even though a lot will overreact. I think he's a better hitter than all of them. Think Issac Parades with more power. 1 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 8 Author Posted July 8 ESPN today But Skenes is a pitcher -- and pitchers get hurt. So, if the Pirates are open to listening ... Offer No. 1: New York Mets offer SS/CF Jett Williams (No. 20), RHP Jonah Tong (No. 50), RHP Nolan McLean, IF Ronny Mauricio, OF Carson Benge Offer No. 2: Los Angeles Dodgers offer C/OF Dalton Rushing (No. 14), OF Josue De Paula (No. 17), IF Alex Freeland, RHP Emmet Sheehan, LHP Jackson Ferris Offer No. 3: Detroit Tigers offer OF Max Clark (No. 8), SS Kevin McGonigle (No. 11), RHP Jackson Jobe, IF Colt Keith, RHP Sawyer Gipson-Long The one that could get it done: Tigers. A playoff rotation with Skenes and Tarik Skubal? Thank you very much. Reminder: The Tigers haven't won the World Series since 1984. 3 Quote
RatkoVarda Posted July 8 Author Posted July 8 I think that is more than DD gave up for Miggy who is an everyday player. 2 top 10 prospects; a cost controlled player; a 2027 wildcard in Jobe; and a developmental success story in SGL Quote
CMU97 Posted July 8 Posted July 8 A while back when this came up I said I wouldn't trade Max Clark straight up for Paul Skenes. That still stands. 1 Quote
Hongbit Posted July 8 Posted July 8 13 minutes ago, CMU97 said: A while back when this came up I said I wouldn't trade Max Clark straight up for Paul Skenes. That still stands. It would take me less than 1 second to make that trade straight up. 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted July 8 Posted July 8 1 hour ago, RatkoVarda said: ESPN today... I'm surprised this only has two laughs and not 25... Quote
KL2 Posted July 8 Posted July 8 2 hours ago, CMU97 said: A while back when this came up I said I wouldn't trade Max Clark straight up for Paul Skenes. That still stands. That's jsut silly. Everybody and thier mother would do that deal. Quote
IdahoBert Posted July 8 Posted July 8 4 hours ago, RatkoVarda said: ESPN today But Skenes is a pitcher -- and pitchers get hurt. So, if the Pirates are open to listening ... Offer No. 1: New York Mets offer SS/CF Jett Williams (No. 20), RHP Jonah Tong (No. 50), RHP Nolan McLean, IF Ronny Mauricio, OF Carson Benge Offer No. 2: Los Angeles Dodgers offer C/OF Dalton Rushing (No. 14), OF Josue De Paula (No. 17), IF Alex Freeland, RHP Emmet Sheehan, LHP Jackson Ferris Offer No. 3: Detroit Tigers offer OF Max Clark (No. 8), SS Kevin McGonigle (No. 11), RHP Jackson Jobe, IF Colt Keith, RHP Sawyer Gipson-Long The one that could get it done: Tigers. A playoff rotation with Skenes and Tarik Skubal? Thank you very much. Reminder: The Tigers haven't won the World Series since 1984. Wow, that’s about the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. 1 Quote
RedTeamGo! Posted July 8 Posted July 8 3 hours ago, CMU97 said: A while back when this came up I said I wouldn't trade Max Clark straight up for Paul Skenes. That still stands. This might be the craziest thing I have ever read. And I am currently reading the Dungeon Crawler Carl series. Quote
Arlington Posted July 8 Posted July 8 No way on the trio being promoted to AA. The Tigers haven't seen such talent since the 1970s Tram, Whit and Parish. Tigers are the best team in baseball and they have a wave of players coming up to give them another 1984 level team. This is not a "future is now" situation. This is a plan for a long period of success moment. Quote
papalawrence Posted July 8 Posted July 8 Skenes isn't getting traded because he is under team control for years. The Pirates won't trade him unless a team makes an offer like the one espn proposed. Of course Det would say no! Hence no chance Skenes gets traded this year Quote
romad1 Posted July 8 Posted July 8 Only one thing would make me trade for Skenes and that would be the premise that we would have Livy Dunne as this generation's Kate Upton. 1 Quote
ICroupier Posted July 8 Posted July 8 (edited) 7 hours ago, Shinzaki said: Way too much... Agreed. Way too much. But what about this? Would you swap Meadows and Rainer for Clark and McGonigle? I have absolutely no concern trading Keith, Jobe, and SGL. And to me, the short term loss of Meadows until Clark is ready would still totally make this deal worth it. That said, Pitt would never go for it, as they'd be crucified if they traded Skenes without getting either of our top 2, but I actually think that is a solid package and would be a compromise for both sides - Tigers giving up more than they probably want, but keeping their 2 studs. Edited July 8 by ICroupier Quote
papalawrence Posted July 8 Posted July 8 In 42 career starts, Skenes' era is 1.95. I'd give up a lot for him, but not what Pitt would require. He'll be a FA entering his age 28 season. The thought of Skubal and Skenes compares to RJohnson and Schilling imho. Would be scary good. Quote
Tenacious D Posted July 8 Posted July 8 2 hours ago, romad1 said: Only one thing would make me trade for Skenes and that would be the premise that we would have Livy Dunne as this generation's Kate Upton. I can think of a couple of big differences between the two of them. 1 Quote
romad1 Posted July 8 Posted July 8 1 minute ago, Tenacious D said: I can think of a couple of big differences between the two of them. Are you saying that Sydney Sweeney is this generation's Kate Upton! Quote
papalawrence Posted July 9 Posted July 9 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Are you saying that Sydney Sweeney is this generation's Kate Upton! Salma Hayek is my generation's Raquel Welsh Quote
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