RandyMarsh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I dont know the order Id put them in but at this point I think SF and Philly are in a class of their own in not only the NFC but NFL as well. Right below them are KC, Miami, Buffalo and Detroit. Seattle, Dallas, Jax and Baltimore are in the next tier. I know Seattle beat us two years in a row and they are certainly a good team but I just don't think they are better than the Lions at this point. They may match up good with us so in turn have our number but I think in the grand scheme of things we would fair better against the rest of the NFL than they would and have the better resume thus far which is why I have them ranked higher. I don't have KC in that top tier anymore just cause I don't think this is the same team that won the SB last year. They still have Mahomes and Reid so they're still a threat but I don't see them as this dominant force nor have they played like one this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, RandyMarsh said: I dont know the order Id put them in but at this point I think SF and Philly are in a class of their own in not only the NFC but NFL as well. Right below them are KC, Miami, Buffalo and Detroit. Seattle, Dallas, Jax and Baltimore are in the next tier. Ironically, I think the Lions may match up pretty well with SF and Philadelphia. I know it’s a weird feeling to have a really good football team, but we do. The key to beating us at this point is probably to play mistake free football, with an aerial attack that can find holes in coverage. SF, Philly, and Detroit lead the league in rushing attempts. With the Detroit run defense, that’s strength on strength. I think we would force Purdy and Hurts to beat us through the air, which they aren’t asked to do often (especially Purdy, SF has the 5th fewest passing attempts this season). There is a lot of season left to play, but I’m of the opinion right now that the NFC representative in the Super Bowl will be one of those three teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I put the Lions as 5 in the NFL at this point. Next two weeks will be good to see where they actually are. On the road against TB and Balt are tough matchups on the road. I would be OK with going 1-1. TB has a bye this week and it all depends how they react to the time off. A lot of teams come out rusty after having some time off. Definitely think the Lions need to continue their first half dominance next week. We might even have to wait for the playoffs until we really know how good we are because we don't play a top 5 team (at this point) the rest of the year. The Lions have a good shot at a bye. Think SF has an easy schedule although Philly has a tough schedule. They still play Miami, Dall twice, KC, SF, Buff, and Sea. They definitely needed that win this week. Here is something for fun discussion. Would you trade Jamo and 1rst round pick for Jefferson? On paper. that is an obvious yes although he is going to get the highest WR salary extension. Not sure Minn would trade with us although if they are sellers and get rid of Cousins, they could be in full rebuild mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Some teams just don't match up well with other teams. Look at Baltimore getting punked again by Kenny Pickett-sburgh. Detroit doesn't match up well with Seattle. Who can cover Metcalf? And if you double him, who can cover Lockett? They have good players at every skill position. But it was encouraging yesterday to see the DL maintain their gaps. Campbell got on them about this after the Seattle game, when they kept letting Geno Smith slip away. And if we end up playing Seattle again in the playoffs, I'll be surprised if we turn the ball over three times again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 14 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said: The great Belichick lost 34-0 to a crappy Saints team. It was Brady. It was always Brady. That's been my opinion for a long time. I did some real quick calculations: Years with Brady (2001-2007,2009-2019): Winning Percentage = .767 Years without Brady (1991-1995,2000,2008,202-2023): Winning Percentage = .467 If you want to discount the Browns years, that bumps his non-Brady years to .483 Again, this is just rough calculations. I'm sure some of those years with Brady he didn't start them all so there's probably some wins that I'm not counting as "Brady-less" win that should be... but even if we add in a an extra 11 wins to the non-Brady time that puts Belichick at exactly .500. Not exactly greatest coach of all time. And it doesn't seem like a matter of just Belichick and Brady peaking at the same time together and then falling off together too. There's a pretty sharp line. With Brady Belichick achieved double digit wins EVERY year except for one (17 of 18). Without Brady he has just 3 years with double digit wins (3 of 11). Brady, meanwhile, had two of three years without Belichick getting double digit wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 I think Geno Smith is a tough matchup for the Lions cause of his accuracy and his ability to move in and out of the pocket. They cant really send the house cause he is good at getting out of trouble but if you give him time to throw somebody is going to get open and he is accurate enough to get him the ball. I think the defense matches up better against the gunslingers, the type of qb that can make spectacular throws but don't have the pin point accuracy. Or at the very least if they do have the accuracy they could be contained in the pocket so you can bring pressure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 52 minutes ago, Jimbo said: I put the Lions as 5 in the NFL at this point. Next two weeks will be good to see where they actually are. On the road against TB and Balt are tough matchups on the road. I would be OK with going 1-1. TB has a bye this week and it all depends how they react to the time off. A lot of teams come out rusty after having some time off. Definitely think the Lions need to continue their first half dominance next week. We might even have to wait for the playoffs until we really know how good we are because we don't play a top 5 team (at this point) the rest of the year. The Lions have a good shot at a bye. Think SF has an easy schedule although Philly has a tough schedule. They still play Miami, Dall twice, KC, SF, Buff, and Sea. They definitely needed that win this week. Here is something for fun discussion. Would you trade Jamo and 1rst round pick for Jefferson? On paper. that is an obvious yes although he is going to get the highest WR salary extension. Not sure Minn would trade with us although if they are sellers and get rid of Cousins, they could be in full rebuild mode. minnesota would never make that trade. the lions would in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 53 minutes ago, buddha said: minnesota would never make that trade. the lions would in a heartbeat. Do you think they wouldn't because it's the Lions or because it's not enough or both? If Minnesota is going to enter something of a rebuild (likely) and Jefferson is telling them he won't re-sign until he knows who his QB will be (as reported), it may make sense for the Vikings to shop him. Otherwise they're looking to manage a disgruntled wide receiver without a long-term deal on a bad team with a new quarterback... Add into the equation that Minnesota is probably not bad enough to win the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. They need draft picks, not wide receiver drama. It would take more than Jamo and a 1st though (unless Holmes goes full villain mode) and I would expect the Vikings to be wary of sending one of the best players in their franchise history to a division rival when he's 24 years old. And Holmes needs to worry about re-signing Sewell, ASB, and Hutchinson to large deals in the next two years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 4 hours ago, RandyMarsh said: I dont know the order Id put them in but at this point I think SF and Philly are in a class of their own in not only the NFC but NFL as well. Right below them are KC, Miami, Buffalo and Detroit. Seattle, Dallas, Jax and Baltimore are in the next tier. ... I don't have KC in that top tier anymore just cause I don't think this is the same team that won the SB last year. They still have Mahomes and Reid so they're still a threat but I don't see them as this dominant force nor have they played like one this year. At least not yet anyways... Which is why I would drop KC to the next tier, at least for now... Until they start showing better. So Philly and SF, and then Detroit Buffalo & Miami in the next tier. KC, Dallas, Seattle, Jax & Baltimore are behind the top 5 at the moment... IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Jimbo said: ... Here is something for fun discussion. Would you trade Jamo and 1rst round pick for Jefferson? On paper. that is an obvious yes although he is going to get the highest WR salary extension. Not sure Minn would trade with us although if they are sellers and get rid of Cousins, they could be in full rebuild mode. What about aiming for lower? Broncos probably stripping down at the deadline too. I know Jefferson is the monster star... But what are thoughts on Jeudy or Courtland Sutton? Neither of whom would cost a 1st rounder or Jamo... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1984Echoes Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 44 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: ... And Holmes needs to worry about re-signing Sewell, ASB, and Hutchinson to large deals in the next two years. Add in a Goff possibility as well... I think for this reason the Lions could be wary of adding Jefferson... even though he would be a spectacular add. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyMarsh Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) It may be recency bias since we just had a big offensive game without him but Im not sure I would give a big money extension to St. Brown. Not that I don't think he is a great player and if we have the money sure but I think he's the type of player we don't need to keep to be successful. I trust that Brad can find a suitable replacement whether it be via trade/fa or through the draft. To me Hutch, Goff and Sewell are the only three guys on the team at this point that Id be willing to break the bank for long term. Edited October 9, 2023 by RandyMarsh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 This is where I see it right now... Super Bowl Contenders [serious contenders to win it all]: 49ers, Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, Eagles, Lions Super Bowl Threats [could win it all if everything breaks their way]: Cowboys, Ravens, Jaguars, Bengals Playoff Threats [could cause problems in the playoffs for the above teams]: Rams, Chargers, Seahawks, Browns, Falcons, Steelers Playoff Possibilities [could reach the playoffs unconvincingly]: Packers, Buccaneers, Saints, Texans, Colts Purgatory: Patriots, Vikings, Titans, Jets, Commanders, Giants, Panthers Caleb Williams Sweepstakes: Broncos, Raiders, Bears, Cardinals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Add in a Goff possibility as well... I think for this reason the Lions could be wary of adding Jefferson... even though he would be a spectacular add. You're right, I should have included Goff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: Do you think they wouldn't because it's the Lions or because it's not enough or both? If Minnesota is going to enter something of a rebuild (likely) and Jefferson is telling them he won't re-sign until he knows who his QB will be (as reported), it may make sense for the Vikings to shop him. Otherwise they're looking to manage a disgruntled wide receiver without a long-term deal on a bad team with a new quarterback... Add into the equation that Minnesota is probably not bad enough to win the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. They need draft picks, not wide receiver drama. It would take more than Jamo and a 1st though (unless Holmes goes full villain mode) and I would expect the Vikings to be wary of sending one of the best players in their franchise history to a division rival when he's 24 years old. And Holmes needs to worry about re-signing Sewell, ASB, and Hutchinson to large deals in the next two years. this is the nfl and the vikings are not bereft of talent. they werent 13-4 good and theyre not 1-4 bad. a couple smart decisions and theyre right back in the division race. getting rid of the best wide receiver in football does not help that. you build on your passing game, you dont destroy it for the off chance you get a couple low first round picks. if the vikings traded any high value player it would be kirk. but theyre not going to do that either. one first round pick and a disappointing receiver would not be enough to get me to give up a cornerstone franchise player who isnt even in his prime yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddha Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 21 minutes ago, MichiganCardinal said: This is where I see it right now... Super Bowl Contenders [serious contenders to win it all]: 49ers, Chiefs, Bills, Dolphins, Eagles, Lions Super Bowl Threats [could win it all if everything breaks their way]: Cowboys, Ravens, Jaguars, Bengals Playoff Threats [could cause problems in the playoffs for the above teams]: Rams, Chargers, Seahawks, Browns, Falcons, Steelers Playoff Possibilities [could reach the playoffs unconvincingly]: Packers, Buccaneers, Saints, Texans, Colts Purgatory: Patriots, Vikings, Titans, Jets, Commanders, Giants, Panthers Caleb Williams Sweepstakes: Broncos, Raiders, Bears, Cardinals i'll have what he's having... 🙂 btw, i would also say the vikings are above the packers. the packers just lost bakthiari. the pats are definitely in the caleb williams sweepstakes (and you forgot the panthers...maybe you put the bears x2 since they own carolina's pick?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, MichiganCardinal said: Do you think they wouldn't because it's the Lions or because it's not enough or both? If Minnesota is going to enter something of a rebuild (likely) and Jefferson is telling them he won't re-sign until he knows who his QB will be (as reported), it may make sense for the Vikings to shop him. Otherwise they're looking to manage a disgruntled wide receiver without a long-term deal on a bad team with a new quarterback... Add into the equation that Minnesota is probably not bad enough to win the Caleb Williams sweepstakes. They need draft picks, not wide receiver drama. It would take more than Jamo and a 1st though (unless Holmes goes full villain mode) and I would expect the Vikings to be wary of sending one of the best players in their franchise history to a division rival when he's 24 years old. And Holmes needs to worry about re-signing Sewell, ASB, and Hutchinson to large deals in the next two years. It took 5 draft picks to get Tyreek. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sagnam Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) Anthony Richardson out for a month. Edited October 9, 2023 by sagnam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, RandyMarsh said: It may be recency bias since we just had a big offensive game without him but Im not sure I would give a big money extension to St. Brown. Not that I don't think he is a great player and if we have the money sure but I think he's the type of player we don't need to keep to be successful. I trust that Brad can find a suitable replacement whether it be via trade/fa or through the draft. Bear in mind that the Panthers aren't a good team and had a depleted secondary. I don't know that we necessarily need to break the bank for ARSB, but I would hate to see him gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 Less than 1/3 of the way in, but it really looks like the Lions are headed for the #3 seed. I’m about 80-90% sure they will win the North. Also very confident that regardless of whether they win or lose at Tampa this weekend, they will finish ahead of the South winner. Even though the Eagles are a better team than the Lions, I think they have a tougher divisional schedule than the Lions so outside chance the Lions could match their record for a #2 seed. But assuming a #3 seed, that’s a home playoff date against the 2nd of 3 wildcard teams - so someone like a Seattle or Dallas or Rams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason_R Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 20 minutes ago, lordstanley said: Less than 1/3 of the way in, but it really looks like the Lions are headed for the #3 seed. I’m about 80-90% sure they will win the North. Also very confident that regardless of whether they win or lose at Tampa this weekend, they will finish ahead of the South winner. Even though the Eagles are a better team than the Lions, I think they have a tougher divisional schedule than the Lions so outside chance the Lions could match their record for a #2 seed. But assuming a #3 seed, that’s a home playoff date against the 2nd of 3 wildcard teams - so someone like a Seattle or Dallas or Rams. Imagine Stafford finally starting a playoff game in Detroit. As the visiting QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRamage Posted October 9, 2023 Author Share Posted October 9, 2023 19 minutes ago, Jason_R said: Imagine Stafford finally starting a playoff game in Detroit. As the visiting QB. ...plot twist... he beats the Lions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganCardinal Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, buddha said: this is the nfl and the vikings are not bereft of talent. they werent 13-4 good and theyre not 1-4 bad. a couple smart decisions and theyre right back in the division race. getting rid of the best wide receiver in football does not help that. you build on your passing game, you dont destroy it for the off chance you get a couple low first round picks. if the vikings traded any high value player it would be kirk. but theyre not going to do that either. one first round pick and a disappointing receiver would not be enough to get me to give up a cornerstone franchise player who isnt even in his prime yet. I don’t think the Vikings will challenge the Lions for the division. I agree they’re not the four-win team they’re on pace to be, they might split with the Lions, but I think they’re looking a 5-7 win season in the face. To go above .500 and seriously contend for a playoff spot they’d have to go 8-4 from here out, which seems like an uphill battle. If Cousins isn’t the QB of the future, it might make more sense to look towards 2024. I wonder if they’ll consider acquiring Kyler Murray if the price is right? 3 hours ago, buddha said: i'll have what he's having... 🙂 btw, i would also say the vikings are above the packers. the packers just lost bakthiari. the pats are definitely in the caleb williams sweepstakes (and you forgot the panthers...maybe you put the bears x2 since they own carolina's pick?). I’m not nearly as delusional as the callers to 97.1 right now saying they think we will go 15-2 or 16-1. I stand by my 12-5 prediction. The Vikings aren’t far removed from the Packers but I think will suffer from their 1st place schedule compared to the Packers 3rd place scheduled. Losing Bakhtiari hurts the Packers, but saying they just lost him is akin to saying the Lions just lost Moseley. It’s true, and it hurts, but it’s not like either have really contributed through five games. I think Belichick is too prideful (and his seat too hot?) to win less than 4-5 games. I don’t think I listed the Bears twice? The Panthers were the last team in purgatory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigeraholic1 Posted October 9, 2023 Share Posted October 9, 2023 The thread does say Random! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lordstanley Posted October 10, 2023 Share Posted October 10, 2023 Packers down 10-3 at the half. I don’t think they’re very good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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