NFL General Comments 2025 Season

[Jason_R]

Come on fellas, GB was the sixth-best defense in points allowed and the fifth-best defense in yards allowed last season. They got better. 

That said, last year they played Indy, Tennessee, Arizona, Jacksonville, SF, Miami, NO, and Chicago (2x). That’s nine games against teams with losing records. Their schedule doesn’t look so easy this season. If Jordan Love doesn’t get straightened out they could lose 8 or 9 games on this schedule. Even with upgrading their defense. 

[RedRamage]

There's no question this makes the Packers better and I don't like that. It's debatable how much better of course, and what the long term lack of first round picks in the next two years will do to their ability to maintain a great team. I definitely think this makes the Packers more dangerous, but I don't know if I think this makes them the favorite in the division.

[Shinzaki]

They lose  Clark and 2 number 1s. They gain one of the elite pass rushers.  Pass rush improves..run defense may take a hit.  Don't know what adding that contract will do team chemistry...the Pack strike me as being a bit volatile emotionally.

With the draft...when you're picking in the 20s...everybody above you gets a free pick, but your picking ahead of everyone after that.  Green Bay...barring any other trades..Will be picking after everyone above them has two picks

[Jimbo]

I think this trade is a big gamble.  If the Pack do not win the division and/or make it deep in the playoffs this year, it was a failure in my opinion.  Losing two years of first round picks and the salary they paid Parsons is going to hand cuff them for a while.  

I think Holmes thinks they can compete for a Super Bowl now and in the future.  When you start having to pay your current players and your cap number is high, you need draft picks to eventually replace players.  

[Jason_R]

A lot is riding on Jordan Love. I view him as a streaky QB, whose performance is consistent with an 18-15 record as a starter. But his QBR and passer rating show him in the top ten.

This doesn’t feel right to me, but makes sense when you see he is basically tied with Josh Allen for the lowest sack percentage in the NFL over the past two seasons. He’s taken 44 sacks in those two seasons, only 14 last year. Goff took 31 and 30 sacks. When Love took 30 sacks in 2023, GB’s offense ranked just outside of top ten. When he only took 14 sacks last season, they were 5th in yards and 8th in points. 

They do a good job of protecting him and preventing catastrophic plays. A better job than Detroit has done with Goff. Maybe Morton will focus on protecting Goff better. 

[slothfacekilla]

Last season Green Bay also had the third lowest percentage of passing plays at 49.31% so there were less opportunities for Love to take a sack.  It'll be interesting to see if they revert back to the previous two seasons' (53.9 and 58.3%) passing percentages. 

[Jason_R]

Good point. They played a lot of bad teams last year. Had the luxury of getting a lead and running the ball. Detroit was just under 50% rushing last year (534 rushes, 551 passes). I hope Morton dials up the smashmouth a bit more and puts less on Goff. 

[Jason_R]

Also, I just read Albert Breer's article about how the trade went down. He said two things that were telling.

One was that the Cowboys had gotten tired of seeing Parsons freelance in an attempt to make big plays. This seems to have played into Jerry Jones's comments about having had a hard time stopping the run. 

The other was that Kenny Clark played a big leadership role in the GB locker room. Clark has always been viewed as an "adult in the room." 

On paper the GB defense is better, but you never know what happens when you lose a leader on the field and off, and when you add someone who may see himself as more important than the team. GB has a lot of young players. Not sure Love is really a leader yet. It will be interesting to see how Parsons impacts the locker room.

[gehringer_2]

17 hours ago, Jason_R said:

Also, I just read Albert Breer's article about how the trade went down. He said two things that were telling.

One was that the Cowboys had gotten tired of seeing Parsons freelance in an attempt to make big plays. This seems to have played into Jerry Jones's comments about having had a hard time stopping the run. 

The other was that Kenny Clark played a big leadership role in the GB locker room. Clark has always been viewed as an "adult in the room." 

On paper the GB defense is better, but you never know what happens when you lose a leader on the field and off, and when you add someone who may see himself as more important than the team. GB has a lot of young players. Not sure Love is really a leader yet. It will be interesting to see how Parsons impacts the locker room.

This is sort of what make football interesting (to me). It's how many different levels of things all have to work. All sports are about talent, but football is highly dependent on team precision as well. You can waste the value of a lot of talent if guys don't stick to their assignments and/or those assignments are not well designed. OTOH, sometimes coaches need to bend the system they want to play to allow for a player with a unique skill set to give them the most value. And sometimes good players and good coaches just don't work together (e.g. Goff/McVay). All adds to keep things unpredictable.

[Jason_R]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/micah-parsons-reportedly-viewed-by-some-cowboys-teammates-as-egotistical-self-centered-before-packers-trade/

It will be interesting to see what happens if they get off to a slow start in GB. 

[gehringer_2]

NFL should be starting today.

[sagnam]

On 8/29/2025 at 5:44 PM, Jason_R said:

Also, I just read Albert Breer's article about how the trade went down. He said two things that were telling.

One was that the Cowboys had gotten tired of seeing Parsons freelance in an attempt to make big plays. This seems to have played into Jerry Jones's comments about having had a hard time stopping the run. 

The other was that Kenny Clark played a big leadership role in the GB locker room. Clark has always been viewed as an "adult in the room." 

On paper the GB defense is better, but you never know what happens when you lose a leader on the field and off, and when you add someone who may see himself as more important than the team. GB has a lot of young players. Not sure Love is really a leader yet. It will be interesting to see how Parsons impacts the locker room.

Not disagreeing with you about chemistry and leadership, it’s just that when I read that my mind immediately went to Jerry Jones spreading rumors to not lose too much of the fan base, he has to keep butts in seats until he can use those draft picks.

I guarantee he sees this as very own Hershel Walker moment. Jimmy Johnson takes too much credit in his mind for the original.

 

Edited Sunday at 10:24 PM by sagnam

[Jason_R]

1 hour ago, sagnam said:

Not disagreeing with you about chemistry and leadership, it’s just that when I read that my mind immediately went to Jerry Jones spreading rumors to not lose too much of the fan base, he has to keep butts in seats until he can use those draft picks.

I guarantee he sees this as very own Hershel Walker moment. Jimmy Johnson takes too much credit in his mind for the original.

 

I don’t disagree that Jerry looked erratic in handling these negotiations, especially in not dealing with the agent. Also, there is a lot of wishful thinking here on my part. But it would not surprise me if Dallas ended up happier in the long run. And it would not surprise me to see controversy follow Parsons to GB. Some people just can’t avoid it. 

Edited Monday at 12:20 AM by Jason_R

[sagnam]

39 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

I don’t disagree that Jerry looked erratic in handling these negotiations, especially in not dealing with the agent. Also, there is a lot of wishful thinking here on my part. But it would not surprise me if Dallas ended up happier in the long run. And it would not surprise me to see controversy follow Parsons to GB. Some people just can’t avoid it. 

This could totally be Khalil Mack. Initially makes an impact but in the end didn’t really bring more than he cost.

[RandyMarsh]

When you give up future capital like the Pack did you should get an immediate gain since what you gave up hasn't impacted you yet. The Packers essentially got their 26 and 27 first round pick already while nobody else has obviously gotten theirs. So logically they should look like the winners the first couple years but you really won't really know how the trade worked out for a few seasons. 

[Jason_R]

Their 26 and 27 first round pick is questionable with an L4/L5 facet joint strain. 

[Sports_Freak]

The Lions are 35-9 in their last 44 games. This has to be the best stretch this team has ever had. And while I'm usually optimistic going into a new season, the last few years has been highly optimistic. Just...beat the Pack!!

 

[Jimbo]

18 hours ago, RandyMarsh said:

When you give up future capital like the Pack did you should get an immediate gain since what you gave up hasn't impacted you yet. The Packers essentially got their 26 and 27 first round pick already while nobody else has obviously gotten theirs. So logically they should look like the winners the first couple years but you really won't really know how the trade worked out for a few seasons. 

The 26 and 27 first round pick doesn't cost 47 mil a year.  The good thing for the Packers is they do lose Clark's salary and weren't in bad CAP situation yet.  Also they are a young team.  I just feel like most of the time when you trade away multiple draft picks (even for a future hall of famer) it really handcuffs an organization.  It works sometimes (if only Superbowls are the goal, then the Stafford trade was worth it.  Plus he was a QB) but most of the time the team that got multiple draft picks wins the trade.  The back issues could also be a huge factor.  The diva claims don't usually matter as much if your winning.

[gehringer_2]

On 8/31/2025 at 9:06 PM, sagnam said:

This could totally be Khalil Mack. Initially makes an impact but in the end didn’t really bring more than he cost.

something like 30 yrs ago the Lions made a big splash to trade for OLB pro bowler Pat Swilling. Gave up a 1st (8th overall) and 4th. That 1st turned into Willie Road (HOF). Lions got one reasonably good, but nothing like hoped for, season from Swilling but that was it.

Edited Tuesday at 04:55 PM by gehringer_2

[Jason_R]

I view this as a panic move by GB. They have a talented young nucleus but still ended up third in their division. Also, they gave Love the big contract but he was the third-best QB in the division last year and may still only be the third-best (or fourth?) this year. I don’t view him as being capable of shouldering the burden of being QB in Titletown and I don’t think GB brass thinks so either. I view this move as intended to take some pressure off of Love.

I also view this as more likely to fail than to succeed. Clearly it makes their pass rush better but it makes their run defense worse. Also their schedule is much harder this year. And it remains to be seen how badly this injury impacts Parsons, but the docs I’ve seen commenting on the injury say the best course of action is 3-4 weeks of rest. So either they play a quarter of the season without him (and without their star DT who got traded away), or they put Parsons at risk of aggravating the injury and missing time down the road. 

If they don’t advance past the Wild Card round this year, I think everyone will start to recognize the bet didn’t work. Without first round picks in 26 and 27, there is little expectation that the roster will improve during that span without creative trades or spending FA money they don’t really have. 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, Jason_R said:

the best course of action is 3-4 weeks of rest.

been there done that. Once you compress a sciatic nerve past a certain point, it becomes a long road back to full mobility.

[Jason_R]

Yeah, for all we know Jerry’s medical team said don’t extend him, the back is too big of a risk. Upside for GB is DPOY for Parsons and a deep run. Downside is he starts to miss big chunks of time due to his back. 

[RedRamage]

I hope it's true because it'll be bad for the Packers, but I'm not going to assume it's true until we see evidence of it beyond merely Jones crying souring grapes.

[Motor City Sonics]

COACH HOT SEAT RANKINGS  
Pre Week 1

1. Brian Daboll, Giants (and it started out so well)

2. Kevin Stefanski, Browns  (another victim of the DeShaun Watson trade)

3. Mike McDaniel, Dolphins  (they are stuck in neutral)

4. Dave Canales, Panthers (it's a week division, they need to show something this year)

5. Zac Taylor Bengals  (that window wasn't open very long and Burrow has a few more prime years). 

(Dis-Honorable mentions)

I think the idea of firing Brian Callahan is silly.  It's a rebuild.  Unless they are embarrassing, then give him a chance.  But I know he won't get much of one.   

Shane Steichen.  The Colts.    Like the Dolphins, are stuck in neutral and wasting a draft pick on Richardson will cost Shane his job (even though he didn't make that pick).  This team still hasn't recovered from Andrew Luck's surprise retirement. 

 

 

[MichiganCardinal]

14 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

COACH HOT SEAT RANKINGS  
Pre Week 1

1. Brian Daboll, Giants (and it started out so well)

2. Kevin Stefanski, Browns  (another victim of the DeShaun Watson trade)

3. Mike McDaniel, Dolphins  (they are stuck in neutral)

4. Dave Canales, Panthers (it's a week division, they need to show something this year)

5. Zac Taylor Bengals  (that window wasn't open very long and Burrow has a few more prime years). 

(Dis-Honorable mentions)

I think the idea of firing Brian Callahan is silly.  It's a rebuild.  Unless they are embarrassing, then give him a chance.  But I know he won't get much of one.   

Shane Steichen.  The Colts.    Like the Dolphins, are stuck in neutral and wasting a draft pick on Richardson will cost Shane his job (even though he didn't make that pick).  This team still hasn't recovered from Andrew Luck's surprise retirement. 

 

 

I would add Brian Schottenheimer. No one knows what Jerry is doing in Dallas, but when they go 7-10 or worse, he’s going to be a very confused old man who still won’t fire himself.