9/19/25 6:40PM Braves @ Tigers

[monkeytargets39]

2 minutes ago, casimir said:

I feel that same way about Carpenter.  I wouldn’t look to extend Greene.

Carpenter I wouldn’t mind because he’s a lot more one dimensional, so he shouldn’t  command as big of a contract to retain.

 

However, it would be nice to see him play a full season without missing significant time….

[casimir]

1 hour ago, monkeytargets39 said:

It’s not just the strikeouts for me even though I hate them.

I don’t think he’s going to age well and the decline will start early.  

I wonder what they could command for him (or Carpenter)?  Can they find a pain in the butt type of leadoff hitter that can field LF like Kwan?

[casimir]

1 hour ago, lordstanley said:

Sunday could be the final game at Comerica this season. 

Nah, it won’t be.

[Sports_Freak]

9 minutes ago, casimir said:

I wonder what they could command for him (or Carpenter)?  Can they find a pain in the butt type of leadoff hitter that can field LF like Kwan?

I think more about what Harris could get for Skubal this winter. A 3rd baseman, 2 relief pitchers and a SP prospect? Not that he will but that would be my ask.

[lordstanley]

Bo Naylor, with a .189 batting average, drives in his 3rd and 4th runs of the game and the Guardians lead again, 4-2 in the 8th.

[papalawrence]

Clev back up 4-2 in the 8th

[papalawrence]

Clev piling it on.

 

2.5

[1776]

6-2 Cleveland

[papalawrence]

As of today Detroit would have to play in the wild card round.  And Detroit is just one game up on the final wild card. If Cleveland wins the division Detroit is probably out altogether. 

[papalawrence]

Tomorrow Detroit wins and Cleveland splits. 

[Motor City Sonics]

11 hours ago, 1776 said:

The guy that plays some third base in that movie is Phil Mankowski. Mankowski played some third base in the mid to late seventies in Detroit. He was there when Sparky came in.

Phil is one of our neighbors. He’s a really nice guy and still likes to talk Tiger baseball. 

Yes, isn't the story that Phil got a job as a maitre d  at Rusty Staub's restaurant in NYC and Rusty told Phil about the casting call and Phil went up to Buffalo to film the movie for 3 weeks?  

 

I just want it re-done because I think the Roy Hobbs in the book is more interesting and more human.   I love the movie, but I don't think Robert Redford was all that great in it.     Wilford Brimley and Richard Farnsworth are the best ones in that movie.    In the book Hobbs is a gluttonous womanizer and not all that nice, but you still feel for  him for what he went through.  I won't tell you the ending but it's WAY different than the movie. 

Edited Saturday at 11:50 AM by Motor City Sonics

[IdahoBert]

I don’t want beat up on this team or blame anyone in the front office or players on the field. They vastly exceeded expectations for a considerable period of time so their stumbles now in comparison seem inexplicable, even treasonous. The endorphin and dopamine rushes I’ve got from this ball club for over a year are dizzying.

The Tigers are like Icarus from Greek mythology who flew too close to the sun with wings made of feathers and wax, causing the wax to melt and him to fall into the sea and drown.

The Tigers, though, are not dead yet. I think in general, I just need to be grateful for the joy they’ve given me for most of the last year. It’s actually childish to lash out. I’m old enough to know better and actually I’m kind of sobering up in this regard.

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, Sports_Freak said:

I pulled a muscle just watching that. 😝

I pulled muscles a lot to Cheryl Tigers back in the day.

[chasfh]

12 hours ago, tiger2022 said:

 The guy in charge had nothing to do with it?  Sure.  He didn't think it was odd players kept pounding on garbage cans during games?  He was either in on it, oblivious to his surroundings, had zero control over the locker room, or a liar.

The front office went around A.J. directly to the players because they knew he wouldn’t play.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said:

Carpenter I wouldn’t mind because he’s a lot more one dimensional, so he shouldn’t  command as big of a contract to retain.

 

However, it would be nice to see him play a full season without missing significant time….

We don’t have to worry about paying to retain Carpenter, since he is controllable through his age 32 season.

[chasfh]

11 hours ago, casimir said:

I wonder what they could command for him (or Carpenter)?  Can they find a pain in the butt type of leadoff hitter that can field LF like Kwan?

There’s only a ghost of a chance we trade someone as valuable as Carpenter over the winter, but there’s no chance Riley, who’s also controllable for the next four years, gets traded as a sell-low dumping, unless Harris gets fired and Ilitch brings in someone else to conduct a full-on rebuild.

[tiger2022]

3 hours ago, chasfh said:

The front office went around A.J. directly to the players because they knew he wouldn’t play.

AJ knew about it the whole time and went along with it and did nothing to stop it.  He even said the accusations were a joke in a press conference and called Fiers a few nasty words later.

The players said had Hinch told them to stop, they would have.  Yet, he chose to do nothing so that makes him part of it.  At best, he was a spineless leader who went along because it was helping him out in the long run.  And he threw the blame and responsibility on everyone else.  He was the manager, knew about it, and did nothing to stop it.  Then he cried crocodile tears about how sorry he was.   He was only sorry because they got caught.

You think this would have flew with a manager like Leyland, LaRussa, Bochy, etc.?

Guess we'll have to disagree on this one.

Edited Saturday at 04:44 PM by tiger2022

[chasfh]

1 hour ago, tiger2022 said:

AJ knew about it the whole time and went along with it and did nothing to stop it.  He even said the accusations were a joke in a press conference and called Fiers a few nasty words later.

The players said had Hinch told them to stop, they would have.  Yet, he chose to do nothing so that makes him part of it.  At best, he was a spineless leader who went along because it was helping him out in the long run.  And he threw the blame and responsibility on everyone else.  He was the manager, knew about it, and did nothing to stop it.  Then he cried crocodile tears about how sorry he was.   He was only sorry because they got caught.

You think this would have flew with a manager like Leyland, LaRussa, Bochy, etc.?

Guess we'll have to disagree on this one.

If you have never been in a situation where your direct reports went around you to your boss to work directly with them on a project that cuts you entirely out of it, then you probably will never understand.

A.J. did not want the Astros doing this. He showed his displeasure a few times by smashing the monitors that were being used for it. This is well documented—that was detailed in Baseball's investigation into the scandal, and also appears in the documentary I shared. But he couldn't stop his bosses from working directly with his players to make it happen, and despite players' BS statements in the investigation to the contrary, he could never have stopped the players from working with his bosses on it.

You can believe A.J. is guilty for being behind the whole thing because he didn't stop it. You can even believe he lied to investigators while under oath and that he's a slimy mother****er who should be fired by the Tigers and banned form baseball for life. It would be your prerogative to believe that, if you did. But that would not comport with the facts in the case as revealed by Baseball in their investigation.

[Sports_Freak]

4 hours ago, chasfh said:

I pulled muscles a lot to Cheryl Tigers back in the day.

We used to have an entire thread for these pics. I think it was on the old MTS. Good times...🤣🤣

[chasfh]

51 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said:

We used to have an entire thread for these pics. I think it was on the old MTS. Good times...🤣🤣

And what if anything did they do for Sue? 😉

[Sports_Freak]

21 minutes ago, chasfh said:

And what if anything did they do for Sue? 😉

I don't think she minded. Prolly just ignored the sexist pigs...😅😅

[gehringer_2]

7 hours ago, chasfh said:

There’s only a ghost of a chance we trade someone as valuable as Carpenter over the winter, but there’s no chance Riley, who’s also controllable for the next four years, gets traded as a sell-low dumping, unless Harris gets fired and Ilitch brings in someone else to conduct a full-on rebuild.

I wouldn't be surprised if some one valuable gets traded for pitching, you don't get something back for nothing. OTOH, Harris doesn't seem to like to trade anyone at all.

[casimir]

23 hours ago, chasfh said:

There’s only a ghost of a chance we trade someone as valuable as Carpenter over the winter, but there’s no chance Riley, who’s also controllable for the next four years, gets traded as a sell-low dumping, unless Harris gets fired and Ilitch brings in someone else to conduct a full-on rebuild.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that trading either Carpenter or Greene would be as a sell-low dumping.  Both are cost quality and controllable players.  Are there trade options out there where someone would be in excess of their value and/or with different skill sets that could improve the Tigers?

[casimir]

15 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

I wouldn't be surprised if some one valuable gets traded for pitching, you don't get something back for nothing. OTOH, Harris doesn't seem to like to trade anyone at all.

I think that Tigers have a bit of excess OF depth to trade from in order to address some P depth concerns.

[tiger2022]

They could trade Greene or Tork after the 2026 season, especially if their young pitchers don't cut it.

Greene and Tork are free agents after 2028 and the Tigers aren't going to give them a competitive contract offer as free agents so if they are are a 4th or 5th place team, I can see them trading them for cheaper players.  

I wonder if they suck at the trade deadline in 2026 if those two go up on the trade block alongside Skubal and Mize?

Edited Sunday at 02:09 PM by tiger2022