Sports_Freak Posted October 8 Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: No, they aren't all this bad, but they are in a rut and the staff hasn't known how to get them out or what to offer to break the downward spiral. This is basically a technocrat staff that finds itself with a big human factors engineering problem on their hands. This Tiger team started out the first 2 months in 2024 all slumping at the same time. Changes weren't made because they got hot and made the playoffs. The slumping started again in September and nobody knew how to fix it. It's pretty obvious changes need to be made. Do fans think Scott Harris is capable of finding the needed talent or is he just planning on bringing up a bunch of raw rookies? Quote
KL2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: This Tiger team started out the first 2 months in 2024 all slumping at the same time. Changes weren't made because they got hot and made the playoffs. The slumping started again in September and nobody knew how to fix it. It's pretty obvious changes need to be made. Do fans think Scott Harris is capable of finding the needed talent or is he just planning on bringing up a bunch of raw rookies? Ok so we’ll just ignore the middle part? like everyone agrees changes need to be made but kinda silly to just focus on the bad stuff and ignore the good parts which were just as long Quote
ICroupier Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: No, they aren't all this bad, but they are in a rut and the staff hasn't known how to get them out or what to offer to break the downward spiral. This is basically a technocrat staff that finds itself with a big human factors engineering problem on their hands. Yeah, that's not what's happening at all. You're trying to assign some complex designation to something that is, in fact, the most basic, elementary issue there is. This team is filled - from top to bottom - with illiterate hitters. Guys who don't understand hitting at all. Guys who show no recognition of contact hitting, zero situational awareness, and not only no signs of progress, but rather increasing signs of regression. Coaching hasn't helped them, that's for sure. But there are professional ball players - many of them vets. The fundamental flaws they consistently display are no one's fault but their own. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Hit Greene cleanup against a strikeout pitcher. 3 at bats, 3 strikeouts. Kinda predictable. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: This Tiger team started out the first 2 months in 2024 all slumping at the same time. Changes weren't made because they got hot and made the playoffs. The slumping started again in September and nobody knew how to fix it. It's pretty obvious changes need to be made. Do fans think Scott Harris is capable of finding the needed talent or is he just planning on bringing up a bunch of raw rookies? The other disappointment is that the commitment to continuous improvement has absolutely stalled with the young hitters this year. Colt has been a bit better overall but really no better than he already was in last season's 2nd half. Tork is basically back to where he was in 2023, but not much better than that. Dingler is pretty much the season's only real hitting success story, and one guy per year aint enough. Quote
IdahoBert Posted October 8 Posted October 8 2 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: Hit Greene cleanup against a strikeout pitcher. 3 at bats, 3 strikeouts. Kinda predictable. It is what it is… 1 Quote
romad1 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Pretty numb to this weird season already. Maybe its because with absolutely junk offense we are not going to be able to go any further than this even if we somehow did make the next round. Fix this. Maybe its more Matt Vierling and Parker Meadows. Maybe its telling Riley Greene he's not Babe Ruth. Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Logan Gilbert is a really bad matchup for Detroit. I'm surprised they have any hits. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ICroupier said: Guys who don't understand hitting at all. Guys who show no recognition of contact hitting, zero situational awareness, and not only no signs of progress, but rather increasing signs of regression. I don't know if I buy the illiteracy piece more than in part. I do believe a lot of it is because the numbers tell teams that all-out hitting is the way to go, but there is some kind of fallacy lurking somewhere under all the data, which I think is that at some point a hitter who doesn't concentrate on his contact skill loses everything else along with it - e.g. Riley Greene. Edited October 8 by gehringer_2 Quote
Nate7474 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 4 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: This Tiger team started out the first 2 months in 2024 all slumping at the same time. Changes weren't made because they got hot and made the playoffs. The slumping started again in September and nobody knew how to fix it. It's pretty obvious changes need to be made. Do fans think Scott Harris is capable of finding the needed talent or is he just planning on bringing up a bunch of raw rookies? Yes I do. I also think he tried fixing that need last year but the best fit free agent didn't want to tango. He has vastly turned this organization around to where its healthy at all levels. We have made it to at least the ALDS the last 2 years with a flawed roster and a small payroll. All I can ask for as a fan is get my team to the playoffs most years where largely it becomes which team is playing the best baseball at that time that wins. Will he have work to do this off-season...absolutely and I look forward to seeing what he does or doesn't do. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, romad1 said: Pretty numb to this weird season already. Maybe its because with absolutely junk offense we are not going to be able to go any further than this even if we somehow did make the next round. Fix this. Maybe its more Matt Vierling and Parker Meadows. Maybe its telling Riley Greene he's not Babe Ruth. Maybe give Riley 75 strikeouts next season before benching him? Probably around May 1st...lol Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 10 minutes ago, Sports_Freak said: This Tiger team started out the first 2 months in 2024 all slumping at the same time. Changes weren't made because they got hot and made the playoffs. The slumping started again in September and nobody knew how to fix it. It's pretty obvious changes need to be made. Do fans think Scott Harris is capable of finding the needed talent or is he just planning on bringing up a bunch of raw rookies? I think he is just hoping everything works out and he just gets lucky...kind of like the last 2 years. He really has done barely anything to make the mlb team better. He inherited a group of players that made the playoffs 2 years in a row. And his guys are still in the minors so he has at least 4 or 5 years before he would get fired. 1 Quote
holygoat Posted October 8 Posted October 8 22 minutes ago, Tigeraholic1 said: 3-0 feels like 12-0 That's only because it is. Quote
roarintiger1 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 The Tigers needed a spark from a couple of called up players in September. The fact that they have a large amount of hitting talent in the minor leagues and didn't use them is just plain dumb. Maybe it would've benched a couple of the zeros they currently have in the lineup every game. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, Nate7474 said: Yes I do. I also think he tried fixing that need last year but the best fit free agent didn't want to tango. He has vastly turned this organization around to where its healthy at all levels. We have made it to at least the ALDS the last 2 years with a flawed roster and a small payroll. All I can ask for as a fan is get my team to the playoffs most years where largely it becomes which team is playing the best baseball at that time that wins. Will he have work to do this off-season...absolutely and I look forward to seeing what he does or doesn't do. Yeah, some fans are satisfied with mediocrity. Harris hasn't done very much to make the Tigers a playoff team or to identify the problems, solve them and then take us to the next level. Maybe he can trade for a few utility guys or find some injured players who were good 5 years ago. Quote
Screwball Posted October 8 Posted October 8 They have no approach at the plate, other than hacking at everything they throw up there. At this point they all know each other. You look for a certain pitch in a certain location, and you hit it. It can be that simple. 1 Quote
JackMorrisStache Posted October 8 Posted October 8 14 runs in 49 1/3 innings. Take out the offensive “explosion” in Game 3 of the Wild Card, and….. Hopefully my negativity yields some runs here with 1st and 3rd 1 out. Quote
Sports_Freak Posted October 8 Posted October 8 3 minutes ago, tiger2022 said: I think he is just hoping everything works out and he just gets lucky...kind of like the last 2 years. He really has done barely anything to make the mlb team better. He inherited a group of players that made the playoffs 2 years in a row. And his guys are still in the minors so he has at least 4 or 5 years before he would get fired. Fired? No, there's just way too many fans who confuse the success on the field with the successful business. A successful business makes as much money as possible. And with our small payroll, by all accounts, we're a successful....business. Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Vlad Jr is 7 for 10, 3 HR and 8 RBI. 2.236 OPS. In the playoffs. That's pretty much the hit total, home run total and runs scored for the entire playoffs for the Tigers Quote
Crazy Cat Gentleman Posted October 8 Posted October 8 maybe a run? of course, it took a Seattle cock-up to get it. Quote
tiger2022 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 8 minutes ago, roarintiger1 said: The Tigers needed a spark from a couple of called up players in September. The fact that they have a large amount of hitting talent in the minor leagues and didn't use them is just plain dumb. Maybe it would've benched a couple of the zeros they currently have in the lineup every game. All this hitting talent was mediocre in AA. They would have no chance against guys like Logan Gilbert. Quote
guy incognito Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Give me something simple and true Give me some more runs, don't play like pooooooo Quote
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