KL2 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 7 hours ago, theroundsquare said: I guess I kind of think Keith presents the prospect [there's that word] of being better than Tork. So far he hasn't been is correct. I don't think Tork has any real upside left. At best, he'll get a little BA/OBP boost from more accurate strike calls in the future, but I think he's a finished product, for better or worse. Yeah my comment was more getting at Tork is a top half first basemen in the league and we’re trading him to make room for a guy we know little about could be better could be worse in time. i get people have totally soured on tork, but he’s not as bad as many portray and not sure we should be moving any player for a downgrade. Quote
papalawrence Posted December 6 Posted December 6 Huge news, the Tigers sign SP Drew Anderson to a 1 yr deal with a 2nd club option. Had a good year in Korea last year. 31 yo. I do not recall him in mlb. Tigers To Sign Drew Anderson - MLB Trade Rumors https://share.google/27rb6OM42173zF5he Quote
1984Echoes Posted December 6 Posted December 6 1 hour ago, Tigermojo said: I need that Star Wars meme with Anakin and Padme. He'll be a starter. For Toledo right? ... For Toledo right? He'll have just as fair a shot at opening day as anyone else not named Skubal. I wouldn't bet my life savings on him... He'll just be an interesting story to follow in spring training. And... Somehow, some way... If he's blowing the doors off in ST... Well... Let's just see what happens. I wouldn't recommend holding breath... Although stranger things have happened... Quote
Tigermojo Posted December 6 Posted December 6 Anderson's signing makes me concerned about Olson's health, especially if they are looking to add more starters. Olson does have options if they plan to be careful with him. Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 (edited) 2 hours ago, 1984Echoes said: He'll have just as fair a shot at opening day as anyone else not named Skubal. I think Flaherty, Mize, Olson and Melton have much better shots and hopefully they'll add to that. If Anderson is being regarded as anything more than a 7th or 8th starter right now, that would be disappointing. He had some impressive stats last year in the equivalent of AA or AAA, but has a poor track record in the US. Edited December 6 by Tiger337 1 Quote
Tigermojo Posted December 6 Posted December 6 17 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I think Flaherty, Mize, Olson and Melton have much better shots and hopefully they'll add to that. If Anderson is being regarded as anything more than a 7th or 8th starter right now, that would be disappointing. He had some impressive stats last year in the equivalent of AA or AAA, but has a poor track record in the US. How would that work though since it's a Major League deal? Quote
gehringer_2 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 13 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: I think Flaherty, Mize, Olson and Melton have much better shots and hopefully they'll add to that. If Anderson is being regarded as anything more than a 7th or 8th starter right now, that would be disappointing. He had some impressive stats last year in the equivalent of AA or AAA, but has a poor track record in the US. Stock for the Hens. With Manning gone, Montero and Melton candidates for Det, there is very little starting staff depth at Toledo after SGL for injury fill-in. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 1 minute ago, Tigermojo said: How would that work though since it's a Major League deal? remaining options? Quote
Tigermojo Posted December 6 Posted December 6 1 minute ago, gehringer_2 said: remaining options? Zero Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 3 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: How would that work though since it's a Major League deal? I believe he can still play in the minors. I am sure Edman will tell us. He is smarter than AI. 1 Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Tigermojo said: Zero Maybe he is our de facto Rule 5 guy then. I think I am going to get Edmanned for the second straight day. Edited December 6 by Tiger337 Quote
Tigermojo Posted December 6 Posted December 6 I'm fine with trying him out as the fifth starter. If he completely stinks maybe they can send him to Toledo if nobody wants him. We need an Edman app. Edman how does this roster move work and can you order some paper towels? 1 Quote
chasfh Posted December 6 Posted December 6 12 hours ago, AlaskanTigersFan said: That's my point. All the other teams that added players like Juan Soto already had multiple stars..... Tigers don't even have one. Trade Skubal, get future stars to go with Cark, McGonigle. Then you have 5. WS in 2 years and for the next decade..... Simple. Skubal should be traded or Harris should be fired. If Scott Harris makes the team worse next year on purpose, then he should be fired. 3 Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 9 hours ago, Tigermojo said: I'm fine with trying him out as the fifth starter. If he completely stinks maybe they can send him to Toledo if nobody wants him. What they need is three of four fifth starters that can be used when the inevitable injuries occur. If he can be one of them, then great. If he can be better than that, then that's even better, but he seems like a long shot. I hope there are better options going into Spring Training. Quote
Edman85 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 9 hours ago, Tiger337 said: I believe he can still play in the minors. I am sure Edman will tell us. He is smarter than AI. Major league deal means he gets a 40 man spot and if he is out of options (I haven't confirmed yet), he would have to clear waivers to go to Toledo. Also, he would have the right to declare free agency if he is outrighted. Some of these deals, like Margot, last year have an automatic consent deal in it where they don't exercise that right. I haven't seen the terms, but "split contract" means he gets a lower salary in the minors, so if we see that it may signal that is the plan. 1 2 Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 14 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Major league deal means he gets a 40 man spot and if he is out of options (I haven't confirmed yet), he would have to clear waivers to go to Toledo. Also, he would have the right to declare free agency if he is outrighted. Some of these deals, like Margot, last year have an automatic consent deal in it where they don't exercise that right. I haven't seen the terms, but "split contract" means he gets a lower salary in the minors, so if we see that it may signal that is the plan. Thanks. FanGaphs says no optons remaining, although they are not always right. I suspect this might be a Margot type deal where there is an automatic consent. Given that there is a club option to retain him for 2027, it would seem that they don't want to risk losing him and I also don't think Harris would want to pencil him onto the 26-man roster at this point. On the other hand, if other teams were interested in him, it might have been more difficult to get that consent. Quote
Tenacious D Posted December 6 Posted December 6 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: What they need is three of four fifth starters that can be used when the inevitable injuries occur. If he can be one of them, then great. If he can be better than that, then that's even better, but he seems like a long shot. I hope there are better options going into Spring Training. Respectfully disagree—they need to go out and get a much better starter to slot in behind Skubal. After next season, each of Skubal, Mize and Flaherty can walk. I really hope we’re not trying to plug 2-3 critical spots in the rotation in one offseason next winter. Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 12 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: Respectfully disagree—they need to go out and get a much better starter to slot in behind Skubal. After next season, each of Skubal, Mize and Flaherty can walk. I really hope we’re not trying to plug 2-3 critical spots in the rotation in one offseason next winter. I don't see the disagreement. I am using "5th starter" as a euphemism for useful substitute pitchers you don't want to rely on all year. You need guys like that to get through a season. I definitely want them to also add someone like Ranger Suarez who they they should be able to reliably plug into the rotation for multiple years. Quote
Edman85 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 (edited) Dirty little secret about pitchers is that signing one to a multi year deal doesn't guarantee they will capably fill the role you signed them for through the duration of the contract. Edited December 6 by Edman85 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted December 6 Posted December 6 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tiger337 said: What they need is three or four fifth starters that can be used when the inevitable injuries occur. If he can be one of them, then great. If he can be better than that, then that's even better, but he seems like a long shot. I hope there are better options going into Spring Training. I agree with all of this. Which is why I said he will get his shot in spring training. He may end up as being nothing more than a 6th 7th starter in Toledo. Or he may be better than that and grab a 5th spot. It's all up to him, even if he's a long shot. 20 minutes ago, Tiger337 said: ... I definitely want them to also add someone like Ranger Suarez who they should be able to reliably plug into the rotation for multiple years. And I also agree with this. It's perfectly fine, by me and I'm guessing a few others here, that Harris is looking for those long shot 5th / 6th / 7th / 8th starters for 2026... because that's what it takes to get through today's 162 game season. But I hope he gets ahold of at least one 2nd or 3rd starter type on a multi-year contract. I'd be happy with Suarez, or Valdes, or King, or Imai... We all have our preferences... I'd like at least one high-level starter though... Edited December 6 by 1984Echoes Quote
Tiger337 Posted December 6 Author Posted December 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Edman85 said: Dirty little secret about pitchers is that signing one to a multi year deal doesn't guarantee they will capably fill the role you signed them for through the duration of the contract. It's no secret. There are no guarantees, especially with pitchers. However, the pitchers who you think are going to be good this year usually require long-term contracts. So, you want to get guys with high probabilities of giving you multiple seasons. Edited December 6 by Tiger337 Quote
roarintiger1 Posted December 6 Posted December 6 I'm just looking at the possibility of signing a starting pitcher or two that is healthy and will stay healthy for an entire year. Give me a season that 5 starting pitchers can start 156/162 games. The Tigers did that in 2013. Of course, that didn't lead to a world series title. But what a run for those 5 guys............. Quote
HeyAbbott Posted December 6 Posted December 6 (edited) Well, It looks like another exciting Harris styled off season. This year has had all the excitement of the breath-taking, non-stop action, of a paint drying tournament , white semi-gloss division. I do think there has been one thing said in this thread that makes sense. Given that the Tigers have not resigned Skubal, and the pitching looks might suspect for '27 and beyond, why would someone want to commit long term and sign here when the team can't go all in on its best player, and one of the best in the game? If you're a player and want a ring, why come here when you can go elsewhere, have a better chance at winning all, while being in a bigger market with better weather, and a more committed ownership? I suddenly have the feeling that every passing cloud contains a cast iron anvil with my name on it. Edited December 6 by HeyAbbott Quote
SoCalTiger Posted December 6 Posted December 6 8 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: Well, It looks like another exciting Harris styled off season. This year has had all the excitement of the breath-taking, non-stop action, of a paint drying tournament , white semi-gloss division. I do think there has been one thing said in this thread that makes sense. Given that the Tigers have not resigned Skubal, and the pitching looks might suspect for '27 and beyond, why would someone want to commit long term and sign here when the team can't go all in on its best player, and one of the best in the game? If you're a player and want a ring, why come here when you can go elsewhere, have a better chance at winning all, while being in a bigger market with better weather, and a more committed ownership? I suddenly have the feeling that every passing cloud contains a cast iron anvil with my name on it. Slowly back away from the ledge. 1 Quote
chasfh Posted December 6 Posted December 6 24 minutes ago, HeyAbbott said: Well, It looks like another exciting Harris styled off season. This year has had all the excitement of the breath-taking, non-stop action, of a paint drying tournament , white semi-gloss division. I do think there has been one thing said in this thread that makes sense. Given that the Tigers have not resigned Skubal, and the pitching looks might suspect for '27 and beyond, why would someone want to commit long term and sign here when the team can't go all in on its best player, and one of the best in the game? If you're a player and want a ring, why come here when you can go elsewhere, have a better chance at winning all, while being in a bigger market with better weather, and a more committed ownership? I suddenly have the feeling that every passing cloud contains a cast iron anvil with my name on it. It's December 6. We haven't even gotten to the winter meetings yet. Please relax. 1 Quote
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