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2 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said:

And is more related to Hinch and Fetter than anything else.

IMO.

Oh... WAIT!!! WHO hired Hinch? Avila?

OK, that also doesn't count for Avila's credit.

Because... 

I have seen clear evidence of Hinch's influence.

And yeah, Avila hired him.  

 

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Just now, Tiger337 said:

I have seen clear evidence of Hinch's influence.

And yeah, Avila hired him.  

 

Doesn't count though, per chas.

Avila gets credit for nothing...

Absolutely nothing.

Even if it takes pretzel logic to do the discrediting...

 

"NOTHING I tell you! You get NOTHING!!!"

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When I saw that there were four whole new pages in this thread in an hour, I thought oh my God, something big has happened! But we’re discussing the merits of Al Avila. OK. Turns out it’s a slow news day after all. 

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in minor league phase, Tigers add 4 pitchers Luke Taggert from Col, Jan Caraballo from SF, John Stankiewicz from Min, and Yendy Gomez from LAA.

Tigers lose IF/OF Austin Murr, C Archer Brookman, P Travis Kuhn, and IF Danny Serretti (who somehow made top prospect lists a few years back)

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I am curious if Rockies Rule 5 pitchers have a lower likelihood of sticking. It seems like the altitude would force a few more pitching emergencies and roster moves increasing the likelihood of a crunch.

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2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I really don't see much evidence that the team performance of the last two years is all because of Harris.  I expect to see more evidence at the MLB level of Harrises influence soon, but I have not seen it yet.  

What? You didn't like letting Candelario walk and acquiring Nick Maton to anchor 3rd base? You're pretty hard to please....😆

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20 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I am curious if Rockies Rule 5 pitchers have a lower likelihood of sticking. It seems like the altitude would force a few more pitching emergencies and roster moves increasing the likelihood of a crunch.

Petit could just be the designated punching bag for all those Coors Field blowouts: "It's 12-3, that means it's Petit time!"

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27 minutes ago, Edman85 said:

I am curious if Rockies Rule 5 pitchers have a lower likelihood of sticking. It seems like the altitude would force a few more pitching emergencies and roster moves increasing the likelihood of a crunch.

They finally have decent leadership now, so I think they will prioritize player development. 

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2 hours ago, RatkoVarda said:

in minor league phase, Tigers add 4 pitchers Luke Taggert from Col, Jan Caraballo from SF, John Stankiewicz from Min, and Yendy Gomez from LAA.

Tigers lose IF/OF Austin Murr, C Archer Brookman, P Travis Kuhn, and IF Danny Serretti (who somehow made top prospect lists a few years back)

I don't see a Luke Taggert ANYWHERE.

I see a Cameron Taggert?

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4 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I really don't see much evidence that the team performance of the last two years is all because of Harris.  I expect to see more evidence at the MLB level of Harrises influence soon, but I have not seen it yet.  

Good lord, transforming us from a franchise that averaged 101 games a year for six straight years under the former guy into a franchise that wins playoffs series just two years later is not much evidence to you that Scott Harris is having an impact at the MLB level??

I have no words.

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1 hour ago, chasfh said:

Good lord, transforming us from a franchise that averaged 101 games a year for six straight years under the former guy into a franchise that wins playoffs series just two years later is not much evidence to you that Scott Harris is having an impact at the MLB level??

I have no words.

Correlation does not prove causation and saying phrases like "I have no words" is not not a persuasive argument either.  

I see Hinch and Fetter having an impact at the major league level.  I don't see Harris having as much of an impact at that level, at least not yet.    The Tigers would not be doing what they have done the last two years without the players, manager and pitching coach which Avila provided.   Avila was terrible, but when you collect prospects for long enough (way too long in his case) you can build up a good base of talent.  

 

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On mlb.tv they discussed Tucker. They've been told he is getting offers in the 5-6 year range. They said with the cba uncertainty no teams are going to offer the 10-year contracts. I do think that will affect Skubal. The Dodgers will still do whatever they want and may go 10 with deferrals. But imho this does point to the risk Skubal will take by waiting. If Harris did offer 8/350 now he might consider it. For a pitcher (not counting Ohtani) that's both the highest total and AAV. Ever. To me losing Skubal hits harder than JV. The Tigers had 13 years with him, and it looked like he was in decline. Skubal is prime Randy Johnson level right now. 

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3 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

Correlation does not prove causation and saying phrases like "I have no words" is not not a persuasive argument either.  

I see Hinch and Fetter having an impact at the major league level.  I don't see Harris having as much of an impact at that level, at least not yet.    The Tigers would not be doing what they have done the last two years without the players, manager and pitching coach which Avila provided.   Avila was terrible, but when you collect prospects for long enough (way too long in his case) you can build up a good base of talent.  

 

I would take it one step further. If Avila wouldn't have hired Hinch, the Tigers very well may not have made the playoffs the last 2 years. And Harris would be feeling a lot of heat from the media and fans. Most casual fans don't see the good he has done in rebuilding our barren farm system. They just see his lack of moves that could have helped our ML team. He has to put up or shut up this off-season, he has a playoff team that just needs a couple of pieces to seriously contend.

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