chasfh Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Tariffs not so good So in this one you have 43% total support for tariffs … 1 hour ago, romad1 said: Another Tariff one … whereas here you have 78% acknowledge Americans foot the bill. Which means, mathematically, at least 21% of people both approve tariffs and know they’re the ones paying for them, and it might be a few points higher than that. More than happy to pay extra out of your pocket just to please your dear leader. That, my friend, is a cult. Edited July 1 by chasfh Quote
GalagaGuy Posted July 1 Posted July 1 All Democrats in Maine needed to do was nominate someone normal and they had that election won easily. It's like they want to make everything as hard as possible for some unknown reason. Quote
romad1 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, chasfh said: So in this one you have 43% total support for tariffs … … whereas here you have 78% acknowledge Americans foot the bill. Which means, mathematically, at least 21% of people both approve tariffs and know they’re the ones paying for them, and it might be a few points higher than that. More than happy to pay extra out of your pocket just to make your leader happy. That, my friend, is a cult. the Canadian parts question is really at odds with that 43%. They know how much of a dent that causes in the local industry. Quote
Motown Bombers Posted July 1 Posted July 1 7 minutes ago, GalagaGuy said: All Democrats in Maine needed to do was nominate someone normal and they had that election won easily. It's like they want to make everything as hard as possible for some unknown reason. It's the far left. The left version of MAGA. There's a chance another DSA nut job will win a primary in Colorado. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 1 hour ago, Motown Bombers said: It's the far left. The left version of MAGA. There's a chance another DSA nut job will win a primary in Colorado. We can't sit here and blame the left for getting in the game - that's their right and that's the process. Sometimes I feel the the old guard Democratic party has this sense of privilege it can't get over "How dare you run against me?" If the mainstream can't live with the left wingers they need to go to their district (or states) and beat them. 2 2 Quote
pfife Posted July 1 Posted July 1 The old guard of the Democratic party is barely more popular than the 'i love the inflation' guy oh and theyve also lost to Susan Colllins like 5 consecutive times so theyre not geniuses at beating susan collins either Quote
Motown Bombers Posted July 1 Posted July 1 4 hours ago, gehringer_2 said: We can't sit here and blame the left for getting in the game - that's their right and that's the process. Sometimes I feel the the old guard Democratic party has this sense of privilege it can't get over "How dare you run against me?" If the mainstream can't live with the left wingers they need to go to their district (or states) and beat them. We absolutely don’t need to welcome antisemites, Nazis and domestic abusers into the party. Quote
romad1 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 I noticed that Lauren Boebert was one of the anti-SAVE act folks. I thought..."I wonder if she's turned a new leaf, Mary Magdalene or Jamie Lee Curtis in 'Trading Places'-style"? Then I see her going off on birthright citizenship basically saying some nasty stuff. Then i see she lit into Tom Kean for being absent from Congress over his battle with Depression (which, what?) She's not worthy of any sympathy I might have...yet. Quote
pfife Posted July 1 Posted July 1 The 'high quality' maine senate poll that couldnt be named when poasted here (convenient) is Fox News and no MoE poasted (oooops). Interesting info left out by the forum's Collins supporter Quote
chasfh Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 11 hours ago, GalagaGuy said: All Democrats in Maine needed to do was nominate someone normal and they had that election won easily. It's like they want to make everything as hard as possible for some unknown reason. I blame the primary system given the types of voters who gravitate toward it. Quote
chasfh Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 11 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: It's the far left. The left version of MAGA. There's a chance another DSA nut job will win a primary in Colorado. TBF, there are a fair number of Democratic voters toward the middle of the spectrum who would like to retire the gerontocracy and their conservative approach. Quote
chasfh Posted July 1 Author Posted July 1 10 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: “You forced me to kill tens of thousands of your children” does not strike me as a compelling moral argument. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) 4 hours ago, Motown Bombers said: We absolutely don’t need to welcome antisemites, Nazis and domestic abusers into the party. But who is 'we'? If candidates go get nominating petitions, run and win, they become part of the party whether anyone already on the inside has welcomed them or not. The Democratic party doesn't exist with the kind hierarchy that reaches down to the grass roots in the same way it once did. Certainly nobody in the hierarchy 'welcomed' AOC (who I am not comparing to a Nazi BTW) but she won anyway. So whatever it used to mean, it doesn't matter much any more. Edited July 1 by gehringer_2 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted July 1 Posted July 1 15 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: But who is 'we'? If candidates go get nominating petitions, run and win, they become part of the party whether anyone already on the inside has welcomed them or not. The Democratic party doesn't exist with the kind hierarchy that reaches down to the grass roots in the same way it once did. Certainly nobody in the hierarchy 'welcomed' AOC (who I am not comparing to a Nazi BTW) but she won anyway. So whatever it used to mean, it doesn't matter much any more. You don’t have to endorse a Nazi and a domestic abuser. This party was united in throwing Biden under the bus, they can do it to Nazis too. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Motown Bombers said: You don’t have to endorse a Nazi and a domestic abuser. This party was united in throwing Biden under the bus, they can do it to Nazis too. It's a somewhat apples and oranges comparison though. They persuaded Biden to withdraw, he could have fought it out at the convention so in the end he cooperated. To go back to the previous example, they tried to persuade AOC not to run, she told them to F-off. The party put Mills up against Platner, the voters told them to F-off. I think it comes down to the fact that no democracy can be any better than its voters and too many of ours suck in this era.(or at least the ones that don't suck don't bother to vote in primaries). We can argue about whose fault that is (media, the oligarchy, racism, lousy schools, toxic evangelical theology, whatever), but it is what it is. This is exactly Trump's brilliance after all. Being a sociopath, he has no shame about playing to the lowest common denominator. The Dems have ended up with a high level of college educated whose tastes reject that, minorities who obviously aren't going to jump on the racism bandwagon, and the young who are naturally progressive. But that is still too narrow a coalition to win enough to govern in DC, and the Dems haven't figured out how to expand past that. And they have to be careful because if the 'establishment' ends up PO'ing those under 45's who went for Platner, the coalition just gets smaller. Edited July 1 by gehringer_2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) if you look back, the only way we got the modern welfare state in the US was that between the depression and the Dems making a devil's bargin with the Jim Crow South, Roosevelt was able to build a broad enough coalition to remake the US into a modern welfare state. The Civil Rights movement tore apart that Coalition and the liberal side has not been able to rebuild it since. Apparently there is no majority voter coalition to support both a functioning modern welfare state and civil rights in America together. Bush's bungling and the crash of 2009 pushed just enough repubs to Obama to get the ACA, but once the crisis ended, that coalition also fell apart. Edited July 1 by gehringer_2 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted July 1 Posted July 1 (edited) 3 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Whatever happened to the Big Tents? And I thought that Trump would be God's gift to the Dems. He was so obnoxious and so incompetent that the Dems would easily rebuild themselves into a massive majority. Man, did I overestimate US voters - and the DNC Edited July 1 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
Motown Bombers Posted July 1 Posted July 1 2 minutes ago, CMRivdogs said: Whatever happened to the Big Tents? The tents never included Nazis and domestic abusers or people who sympathize with people who light holocaust survivors on fire. Quote
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