The fall of the Islamic Republic of Iran

[Mr.TaterSalad]

2 hours ago, romad1 said:

This will now happen

 

Deuce Bigalow, Male Jiggalow can sign up to fight any time he likes. So can his kids.

[LaceyLou]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Yeah, but Carter committed a SIN against every GOD lovin' 'MURICAN ideal - worse even than having' a BLACK dude named HUSSEIN in the White House -- He was gonna make us the METRIC SYSTEM! 

Let's not forget that he turned the thermostats in the WH down to 68 degrees and wore sweaters to keep warm. 

I seem to remember a Playboy interview that was pretty controversial at the time, too. 

[gehringer_2]

2 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Let's not forget that he turned the thermostats in the WH down to 68 degrees and wore sweaters to keep warm. 

I seem to remember a Playboy interview that was pretty controversial at the time, too. 

Unfortunately Carter's economic illiteracy eventually overshadowed his other virtues. 

[CMRivdogs]

24 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Yeah, but Carter committed a SIN against every GOD lovin' 'MURICAN ideal - worse even than having' a BLACK dude named HUSSEIN in the White House -- He was gonna make us the METRIC SYSTEM! 

Not to mention he told us to stop complaining and wear a sweater.. 

[Stanley70]

And he reduced max speed limits to 55 mph. I remember getting a ticket in the 1980's and it said "energy speed". It meant that the speed limit used to be higher on that road but was reduced to 55 to save energy.

[1984Echoes]

7 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Unfortunately Carter's economic illiteracy eventually overshadowed his other virtues. 

That was the ballgame right there...

[LaceyLou]

9 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Unfortunately Carter's economic illiteracy eventually overshadowed his other virtues. 

His status as an 'outsider' was also too extreme. Many Democratic leaders found him to be unlikable, so they chose not to work with him. Many of these so called liberals ended up cozying up to Reagan.

I always thought it was his handling of the hostage crisis that put the final nail in his presidency's coffin, though.

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

His status as an 'outsider' was also too extreme. Many Democratic leaders found him to be unlikable, so they chose not to work with him. Many of these so called liberals ended up cozying up to Reagan.

I always thought it was his handling of the hostage crisis that put the final nail in his presidency's coffin, though.

that was the nail, but I doubt he could have survived the inflation rate even without it. He was an outsider partly because he was cocky and he and his team thought they knew better. Even when that may be true  you can't act like it! Later in his life he freely admitted that at that point in his life he wasn't prepared for the job. The contrast to Reagan was so striking. Carter was a very bright guy, but he and he team were not self aware of their weaknesses, Reagan was never the sharpest tool in drawer but he surrounded himself with a large number of the most competent people  that have served in a admin in my lifetime: Schultz, Baker, Simon, Volker, Regan et al. (of course there were a few ringers like Meese!)

Edited 7 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, LaceyLou said:

I always thought it was his handling of the hostage crisis that put the final nail in his presidency's coffin, though.

That is my recollection.  I didn't pay a lot of attention to politics back then, but he was widely criticized for his handling of the hostage situation. 

I also remember being mocked for looking like an Iranian.  There was this big dumb kid on the wrestling team who used to yell here comes the Iranian every time he saw me and his friends thought it was hilarious.  

[LaceyLou]

1 minute ago, Tiger337 said:

That is my recollection.  I didn't pay a lot of attention to politics back then, but he was widely criticized for his handling of the hostage situation. 

I also remember being mocked for looking like an Iranian.  There was this big dumb kid on the wrestling team who used to yell here comes the Iranian every time he saw me and his friends thought it was hilarious.  

Man, that sucks. I definitely would never want to go back to high school.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, LaceyLou said:

Man, that sucks. I definitely would never want to go back to high school.

It never got really bad.  At my school, if you ignored the punks, they eventually moved onto somebody else and I never gave them the reaction they wanted.  There was some good and bad in high school, but yeah I didn't miss it once I was done.   

[romad1]

 

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

Name any Democrat. Imagine if we kept up with Johnson’s Great Society, Clinton’s tax increase on the rich and assault weapon ban, Obama’s Obamacare, or Biden’s BBB. All progress from Dems is constantly wiped out by Republicans. 

That's because none of these policies helps the capitalist class, which is what the Republicans represent.

[chasfh]

5 hours ago, Motown Bombers said:

 

 

It remains to be determined whether they are actually "mistakes", the use of which presumes an honest effort to do the right thing.

[Tiger337]

34 minutes ago, chasfh said:

It remains to be determined whether they are actually "mistakes", the use of which presumes an honest effort to do the right thing.

I don't think Trump ever distinguishes between right and wrong.  What is right to him is whatever helps himself personally.  Sometimes those things might also be good for some of us, but what's good for us is not how he sees right or wrong.   

[gehringer_2]

25 minutes ago, Tiger337 said:

I don't think Trump ever distinguishes between right and wrong.  What is right to him is whatever helps himself personally.  Sometimes those things might also be good for some of us, but what's good for us is not how he sees right or wrong.   

well, practically speaking it's only a semantic quibble, but I think Trump actually has a very finely developed personal sense of right and wrong, which when seen from the outside basically goes: I'm right, and what I want is right, and if you don't agree, you are wrong. Of course he doesn't see it that way, to him it's just because the world is a rational place that all choices that happen to be right also redound to his benefit.

My impression is that Trump sees the world in very black and white moral terms, it's just that his is a depraved narcissistic morality. That would be opposed to seeing him as Nietzschean sort of character who sees himself as transcending right/wrong as concepts. Opinions will vary, but that is my take if I'm going to do a little amateur pysch.

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2