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This miss on El-Sayed's polling was also pretty severe but since it was still on the correct side of the outcome it hasn't gotten as much attention as this will.

Polling in the US is collapsing. I thought it would have happened before now, but it's finally getting there. Telephony in the US has changed so fundamentally and completely that there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube. You cannot get a good poll without a good sample, and people will not allow themselves to be sampled via phone anymore because the old 'answer the phone!' imperative is totally gone today. That was the thing that made polling work in the pre-cell/pre-sms era - that all people would answer their phone. When people no longer feel that panic about letting a ringing phone go unanswered, the paradigm shifts from a random sample to a self-selected one - and you are hosed as a pollster. There is no current technology or method that will get you a non-self-selected sample in the US anymore. 

So what we are left with is pollsters making adjustment to polls that drive their reported result more than the data actually in the poll. So if a pollster is a good prognosticator, he gets the adjustments right and has a good poll. But who can predict from cycle to cycle what the right adjustments are? That's a rear view mirror process and by nature is bound the miss the very thing you want to know in a political poll, which is "what is changing".

 

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I think his appeal specifically among younger and more progressive folks will be tough for pollsters. There's a feeling among those under 40 that the rest of us ****ed it all up and they want revenge.   They aren't wrong despite all the shaming we give them for not owning a home by now or learning cursive handwriting.

 

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The problem is not that the SPLC paid informants — that is a well-established practice in law enforcement and intelligence. The question are the other charges: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud, Conspiracy to make false statements to a federally insured bank, Conspiracy to commit concealment money laundering. Given this is an administration that routinely engages in all of those practices themselves, I give it at least a 50% chance their case falls apart before it ever comes to trial.

Of course, their goal is not so much obtain a conviction as it is to bankrupt this woman and the SPLC, and intimidate any other entity that threatens the administration's white supremacist allies.

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37 minutes ago, chasfh said:

The problem is not that the SPLC paid informants — that is a well-established practice in law enforcement and intelligence. The question are the other charges: Conspiracy to commit wire fraud, Conspiracy to make false statements to a federally insured bank, Conspiracy to commit concealment money laundering. Given this is an administration that routinely engages in all of those practices themselves, I give it at least a 50% chance their case falls apart before it ever comes to trial.

Of course, their goal is not so much obtain a conviction as it is to bankrupt this woman and the SPLC, and intimidate any other entity that threatens the administration's white supremacist allies.

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I wonder where having a problem with people who go after Nazis fits in on the “but I served” bingo card.  As if we needed a reminder though. 

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1 minute ago, smr-nj said:

Next week’s new weapon issues:  knitting needles to puncture eardrums & eyes, and bamboo shoots for fingernails.

Because, why not.

all this reflects the sadism of the commander in chief. 

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1 hour ago, smr-nj said:

Next week’s new weapon issues:  knitting needles to puncture eardrums & eyes, and bamboo shoots for fingernails.

Because, why not.

I'm glad I'm not reading whatever you're reading. 😉 

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By the way..............before we knew he was a nutjob, my mom bought me a My Pillow for Christmas. 

I used it twice and had horrible neck pains both times and only used it as an ass pillow after that.   After I found out he was a Trump supporter, I tried to burn it -- and it would not burn.     Maybe because it was made by the crackhead from Hell and  fire is no match for it...........

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