04/01/2026 3:40pm EDT Detroit Tigers at Arizona Diamondbacks

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

pthbthbthbthbthbt

[monkeytargets39]

Absolutely pathetic series

[IdahoBert]

Boooooooooooooooo

[ICroupier]

Baez is so bad at times. He's really hard to watch. I don't have high hopes, but I sure wish he was on a short leash this season.

As others mentioned, we have McGonigle, Dingler, and Keith and then a whole lot of garbage. Roster has very little upside.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

at least this game was only a waste of 2 hours and 12 minutes.

[IdahoBert]

8 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

What did Dingler do?

Actually, he‘s done more than everybody else I’m just venting. 

[monkeytargets39]

1 minute ago, ICroupier said:

Baez is so bad at times. He's really hard to watch. I don't have high hopes, but I sure wish he was on a short leash this season.

As others mentioned, we have McGonigle, Dingler, and Keith and then a whole lot of garbage. Roster has very little upside.

If he is still scuffling to get a .200 obp after a few more weeks, it’s time to eat the contract.  He makes just as many wild throws to first as he does amazing plays.  

[IdahoBert]

I’m starting to look forward to the passing of the Avila All-Stars and the coming into being of the Harris All-Stars. And yes, I’m merely venting.  

[SoCalTiger]

Carpenter looks lost. Can't find his hammer. only screws.

[romad1]

45 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Carpenter looks lost. Can't find his hammer. only screws.

We know that when he gets it going he will be money.  But for now, he's ass. 

[Motor City Sonics]

   3 competent hitters out of the whole team  (and a decent Base On Balls guy).   And the fact that a 21-year old rookie, who never played above AA ball is BY FAR your best hitter is disturbing.    Yeah, I know it's early, blah blah blah, but this is just a continuation of last September.     

Greene is a ****ing windmill.  Congraulations on repeating as the K-King.  I have no doubt that's coming.    Torkelson isn't anywhere close to being a 1-1,  Carpenter looks foolish and Javy has revered back to his 2023/2024 self.     They'd be 0-6 if it wasn't for K-Mac and Keith and a Padres Opening Day starter that pitched like he had Vertigo.   

It's too early in the season to be this angry.   And it's cold outside today.  Freaking 38 degrees when it was 70 yesterday.  Today sucks.   

Hey Tigers,  are you getting intensity tips from the Red Wings? 

 

 

 

 

[monkeytargets39]

It’s just alarming how few of our hitters can recognize low breaking balls—even when they barely start in the zone.

Anything down and in or down and away is an off balance swing from Carpenter and Greene.  Javy is swinging at stuff that starts 2 inches off the plate and ends up in the left handed batters box.  Parker never looks like he really has a plan up there regardless, but he fans at balls in the dirt all the time too.  
 

You can tell a huge difference between those guys and Keith/McGonigle/Torres, who recognize it early and either let it go, foul it off, or adjust the swing.  Dingler has been consistent with his approach and staying balanced too.  I think Tork will be ok because his approach is decent and he has some level of plate discipline—just not much ability to shorten the swing.

 

Everything with Carp, Riley, Javy, and Rogers is trying to hit the ball 500 feet and all you have to do to get them in an 0-2 count is throw some breaking balls down around their ankles.  Then as soon as they’re behind in the count, throw an outside edge fastball and they stand there flabbergasted.

 

With Skubal being in a walk year, this should’ve been the year where everyone has bought in and made adjustments to better recognize pitches and cover the strike zone.  Instead several guys have just continued on from last years August/September and just spent all offseason thinking it was a fluke instead of an obvious adjustment pitching staffs made against us.

[SoCalTiger]

It's Early and the roster will have many variations during the year. We're ok.

[chasfh]

These are the times that try fans’ souls.

[tiger2022]

Ryan O'Hearn makes $14 million a year.  Verlander makes $13 million.  What was the better FA signing?  They could have just signed Chris Paddack if they needed a pitcher to give up 6 to 8 runs a start and saved some money to put towards a bat.

[Sports_Freak]

11 hours ago, Motor City Sonics said:

   3 competent hitters out of the whole team  (and a decent Base On Balls guy).   And the fact that a 21-year old rookie, who never played above AA ball is BY FAR your best hitter is disturbing.    Yeah, I know it's early, blah blah blah, but this is just a continuation of last September.     

Greene is a ****ing windmill.  Congraulations on repeating as the K-King.  I have no doubt that's coming.    Torkelson isn't anywhere close to being a 1-1,  Carpenter looks foolish and Javy has revered back to his 2023/2024 self.     They'd be 0-6 if it wasn't for K-Mac and Keith and a Padres Opening Day starter that pitched like he had Vertigo.   

It's too early in the season to be this angry.   And it's cold outside today.  Freaking 38 degrees when it was 70 yesterday.  Today sucks.   

Hey Tigers,  are you getting intensity tips from the Red Wings? 

 

 

 

 

People say this season struggles so far are a small sample size? You're  correct, it could just be a continuation of last seasons collapse. Nothing was done in the off-season to address our weak hitting lineup. Our strength should be our pitching but we just lost a 1-0 game. And we have 1 home run in 6 games? We're due...

[tiger2022]

It's still early, but Greene, Torkelson, Baez, etc were really struggling in the last third of the season last year.  

The big issue is that no one has any power on this team.  In today's game, you just can't be a top team without guys that can go deep consistently.  Little dink and dunk hitters need 2 or usually 3 hits in an inning to score a run.  That's tough to do.

[casimir]

2 hours ago, tiger2022 said:

Ryan O'Hearn makes $14 million a year.  Verlander makes $13 million.  What was the better FA signing?  They could have just signed Chris Paddack if they needed a pitcher to give up 6 to 8 runs a start and saved some money to put towards a bat.

 

1 minute ago, tiger2022 said:

It's still early,.....

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[casimir]

I'm thinking of a word that can best describe this series, and I've come up with is "flushable".

[kdog]

They got 4 good starts and probably deserve to be 3-3. I dont' have much patience for 'core' hitters who can't consistently produce. We are out of the development phase and these guys are probably not going to get much better. We need them to settle into their norms...and quick.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, tiger2022 said:

It's still early, but Greene, Torkelson, Baez, etc were really struggling in the last third of the season last year.  

The big issue is that no one has any power on this team.  In today's game, you just can't be a top team without guys that can go deep consistently.  Little dink and dunk hitters need 2 or usually 3 hits in an inning to score a run.  That's tough to do.

Power is not the problem.  The Tigers were 10th in the league in home runs last year playing in a tough home run park.  Greene, Torkelson and Carprenter can all hit home runs if they make enough contact.  

 

[chasfh]

In light of the two games in which we scored all our runs in a single inning and were shut out for the other eight, I did an interesting query yesterday: during 2025, where did the Tigers rank among teams in terms of percentage of innings in which they scored zero runs; in which they scored exactly one run; and in which they scored two or more runs?

Here's where it shook out:

• No runs: Tigers 72.3% of all innings, ranked 18th (MLB average: 72.7%; Pirates ranked first with 76.7%; Yankees ranked 30th with 69.2%)
• One run only: Tigers 13.8%, 25th (MLB average: 148%; Diamondbacks 17.4%; Giants 13.0%)
• Two or more runs: Tigers 14.0%, 4th (MLB average: 12.6%; Yankees 15.3%; Pirates 9.3%)

So the Tigers ranked slightly below league average in no runs scored, which is good; almost at the bottom scoring one run only, which, OK; and near the top in scoring two or more runs, which is good.

This suggests that as of last season we had the potential for a very good offense overall, and did have some good results, but need to become more consistent so we can be an elite offense like the Yankees or Dodgers.

This is probably in part why Harris did not blow up the offense this winter and replace lots of guys with so-called impact bats. Given how young the roster is, he's betting on a big step forward from the kids we have in house to get us to that next level. And they might yet, despite the first six games of the season.

[Tiger337]

4 minutes ago, chasfh said:

In light of the two games in which we scored all our runs in a single inning and were shut out for the other eight, I did an interesting query yesterday: during 2025, where did the Tigers rank among teams in terms of percentage of innings in which they scored zero runs; in which they scored exactly one run; and in which they scored two or more runs?

Here's where it shook out:

• No runs: Tigers 72.3% of all innings, ranked 18th (MLB average: 72.7%; Pirates ranked first with 76.7%; Yankees ranked 30th with 69.2%)
• One run only: Tigers 13.8%, 25th (MLB average: 148%; Diamondbacks 17.4%; Giants 13.0%)
• Two or more runs: Tigers 14.0%, 4th (MLB average: 12.6%; Yankees 15.3%; Pirates 9.3%)

So the Tigers ranked slightly below league average in no runs scored, which is good; almost at the bottom scoring one run only, which, OK; and near the top in scoring two or more runs, which is good.

This suggests that as of last season we had the potential for a very good offense overall, and did have some good results, but need to become more consistent so we can be an elite offense like the Yankees or Dodgers.

This is probably in part why Harris did not blow up the offense this winter and replace lots of guys with so-called impact bats. Given how young the roster is, he's betting on a big step forward from the kids we have in house to get us to that next level. And they might yet, despite the first six games of the season.

Interseting data.  I am just not sure how to interpret it.  I would think that percent of innings in which a team scores runs would be highly correlated with how many runs they scored or a production stat like wOBA.  Is there a prediction advantage to knowing how many innings they scored in compared to just looking at total runs scored?

[monkeytargets39]

The one-run only stat jumps out at me a bit with how low we are on it.  
 

It signals to me that we don’t do a good job of situational hitting and manufacturing a run.  
 

Just a minor example from yesterday- Skubal is pitching a great game but it’s 1-0 and we’ve put very little pressure on Gallen.  McGonigle triples with one out.  All we need at point is to get that run home: RBI groundout, sac fly, squeeze play, whatever.  

Torres proceeds to get behind in the count and then swings at a pitch near the top of the zone and tries to drive it but instead hit a line drive and ends up as a double play.  We hit probably 10 fly balls out to center and right field off Gallen but couldn’t do it the one time we really needed it with one of our more skilled hitters.

 

Not to criticize Gleyber or AJ or anything, but it’s worth pointing out that when our offense isn’t clicking, we don’t seem to have a lot of faith in the hitters to execute a sacrifice, steal a base, put a ball in the air or on the ground, etc.  I get going for the big inning if you string a hit or two together or a walk, but the types of teams that outperform their expectations each year are the ones that don’t squander those opportunities nearly as often as we seem to.

[Tiger337]

34 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

The one-run only stat jumps out at me a bit with how low we are on it.  
 

It signals to me that we don’t do a good job of situational hitting and manufacturing a run.  
 

Just a minor example from yesterday- Skubal is pitching a great game but it’s 1-0 and we’ve put very little pressure on Gallen.  McGonigle triples with one out.  All we need at point is to get that run home: RBI groundout, sac fly, squeeze play, whatever.  

Torres proceeds to get behind in the count and then swings at a pitch near the top of the zone and tries to drive it but instead hit a line drive and ends up as a double play.  We hit probably 10 fly balls out to center and right field off Gallen but couldn’t do it the one time we really needed it with one of our more skilled hitters.

 

Not to criticize Gleyber or AJ or anything, but it’s worth pointing out that when our offense isn’t clicking, we don’t seem to have a lot of faith in the hitters to execute a sacrifice, steal a base, put a ball in the air or on the ground, etc.  I get going for the big inning if you string a hit or two together or a walk, but the types of teams that outperform their expectations each year are the ones that don’t squander those opportunities nearly as often as we seem to.

Is this trure?