05/13/2026 7:10p EDT Detroit Tigers at New York Mets

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

That pretty much sums up how I view Max Clark, which is very different from how I view Reese Olsen or Jackson Jobe. 

Reese is why Avila took so many 6' 4" pitchers. My biggest worry when they took Jobe what that with a guy who spun his breaking ball that hard you might as well block out the lost year for the TJ surgery in advance. If he comes back from TJ spinning the ball just as hard, I'd guess he can be effective but the arm will always be a time bomb.

[Tiger337]

1 hour ago, chasfh said:

We always have hopes for any player we see, even Gage Workman. When it comes to some level of expectation, I think of Max Clark as a universally-regarded position-player top prospect with no history of injuries, so I do expect positive contribution out of him.

Is that a guarantee? No, but I don’t think it’s a crapshoot, either. I think the chances we get something out of Max are far higher than the chances we get nothing out of him. Will he be an 8-win superstar? That’s rare, but it’s within a reasonable range of outcomes for him specifically. A 5-win All-Star? I think that’s fairly probable at some point, if not perennially. Will he be a consistent 2-win everyday guy? I think he should be at least that, although I’d be disappointed if that’s where he topped out. Will he be a complete sub-replacement bust? I think the chances of that are very low, and I would be shocked if stayed healthy, played as hard as he could and up to his capabilities, and he were to crap out like that. I think something dramatic would have to happen, like a terrible freak injury, a series of Parker Meadows injuries, or even a serious diagnosed illness, for us to get nothing out of him.

That pretty much sums up how I view Max Clark, which is very different from how I view Reese Olsen or Jackson Jobe. 

I didn't say it was a crapshoot.  Clark has a much better chance of succeeding than Workman or Jung or Hao Yu Lee.   It's silly to even talk about that.  However, I don't expect him to contribute much in the near future and there is no guarantee of future stardom, much like Torkelson, Greene and Mize when they were coming up.  MLB is hard.  I think it's unlikely that he becomes a below replacement bust too.  In fact, my expectations are close to the ones you mentioned.  The range of possible outcomes is wide though.  

Don't forget Jobe was universally regarded as one of the top couple of pitching prospects as recently as last year.  So, he's not a lot different from Clark in that respect.  

How do you view Olson and Jobe?

Edited 7 hours ago by Tiger337

[IdahoBert]

Maybe the good thing about the team faltering is that there may be no real incentive to sell off our position players in the minors to get whatever it is the club thinks it needs with the hopes of “competing now.”

Competing now may become an unsupportable conceit and the club, either through design or circumstance or whatever, doesn’t seem to make big moves anyway that would make giving up on the future a realistic choice. 

[chasfh]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

I didn't say it was a crapshoot.  Clark has a much better chance of succeeding than Workman or Jung or Hao Yu Lee.   It's silly to even talk about that.  However, I don't expect him to contribute much in the near future and there is no guarantee of future stardom, much like Torkelson, Greene and Mize when they were coming up.  MLB is hard.  I think it's unlikely that he becomes a below replacement bust too.  In fact, my expectations are close to the ones you mentioned.  The range of possible outcomes is wide though.  

Don't forget Jobe was universally regarded as one of the top couple of pitching prospects as recently as last year.  So, he's not a lot different from Clark in that respect.  

How do you view Olson and Jobe?

I don't view Olson or Jobe nearly as optimistically as I view Max.

A Pipeline-ranked pitching prospect is always viewed more cautiously than the same Pipeline-ranked hitting prospect.

[monkeytargets39]

2 hours ago, Tiger337 said:

How do you view Olson and Jobe?

I expect almost nothing of Olson going forward.  If he does come back and have an impact, I’d consider it a bonus.  
 

Jobe I’m still expecting a high probability of him being a top 1-3 starter.  He has more time on his side and less mileage on the arm.

Edited 5 hours ago by monkeytargets39

[Motor City Sonics]

Zack Short's in the lineup.   Loss.  

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

Maybe the good thing about the team faltering is that there may be no real incentive to sell off our position players in the minors to get whatever it is the club thinks it needs with the hopes of “competing now.”

Competing now may become an unsupportable conceit and the club, either through design or circumstance or whatever, doesn’t seem to make big moves anyway that would make giving up on the future a realistic choice. 

They need to sell of their position players in the majors.    Get rid of Torkelson - he's had plenty of time to really show something and has not done it consistently.   Get rid of Carpetner.  He can't get through a season healthy.  Always getting hurt.   I feel like Dingler and McKinstry are the only ones worth keeping.  Greene has good numbers, but where's the clutch hits?   Greene is like junk food.   Taste good but no nutrients.  Empty calories.  

[Motor City Sonics]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

Maybe the good thing about the team faltering is that there may be no real incentive to sell off our position players in the minors to get whatever it is the club thinks it needs with the hopes of “competing now.”

Competing now may become an unsupportable conceit and the club, either through design or circumstance or whatever, doesn’t seem to make big moves anyway that would make giving up on the future a realistic choice. 

They need to sell of their position players in the majors.    Get rid of Torkelson - he's had plenty of time to really show something and has not done it consistently.   Get rid of Carpetner.  He can't get through a season healthy.  Always getting hurt.   I feel like Dingler and McKinstry are the only ones worth keeping.  Greene has good numbers, but where's the clutch hits?   Greene is like junk food.   Taste good but no nutrients.  Empty calories.  

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

can't keep McGonigle and Dingler off the bases.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

Riley knocks them both in. 2-0. hopefully it's a better 2-0 than last night's was.

[IdahoBert]

I wish these mf’s would stop giving me hope.… hope is a cancerous tease when you just want to give up…

[SoCalTiger]

25 minutes ago, IdahoBert said:

I wish these mf’s would stop giving me hope.… hope is a cancerous tease when you just want to give up…

Don’t give up ! We need you !!

[monkeytargets39]

What’s the point of McKinstry if his defense isn’t going to be good?

[Dan Gilmore]

12 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said:

What’s the point of McKinstry if his defense isn’t going to be good?

Amply demonstrated this inning. 😵‍💫

[Dan Gilmore]

I never thought I’d miss Torres defense.

[IdahoBert]

24 minutes ago, SoCalTiger said:

Don’t give up ! We need you !!

That’s kind of you. Thank you. 

[IdahoBert]

[gehringer_2]

Keith with 104 EV on the DP ball - that's enough to get out of a ball park, unfortunately the launch angle was 1 deg.

[gehringer_2]

 

after getting a pitch clock violation gift, Tork flails at ball 4

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

that was one wacky play at 1st.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

aaaaand McKinstry evens things out anyway by getting picked off. yeesh.

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, Crazy Cat Gentleman said:

aaaaand McKinstry evens things out anyway by getting picked off. yeesh.

Unreal. Baseball gods give the Tigers two freebies in one inning and it's the Tigers be like: "We don't need no steenking luck!"

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2

[gehringer_2]

Terrible umpiring there - he never got his hand above his face.

Meanwhile - Framber with the QS.

Edited 2 hours ago by gehringer_2

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

wow, I guess watch where you vaguely wave your hand around when Junior Valentine is umping.

[Crazy Cat Gentleman]

getting kinda tired of Junior Valentine all of a sudden. Dingler (batting) supposedly took too long with something and got strike 3 called for a clock violation. looked like BS to me.

Edited 2 hours ago by Crazy Cat Gentleman