NorthWoods Posted August 2 Posted August 2 15 minutes ago, Tenacious D said: How can you think this? Do you think Harris and team are incompetent or had another agenda? Why wouldn’t they accept the best offer? Not accusing you of this, but I think a lot of Tigers fans were seduced by all of the trade rumors and proposed packages offered by the media and ex-GM’s. They weren’t grounded in any reality. I swear the Rodriguez deal affected the timing of this deal. Quote
DTroppens Posted August 2 Posted August 2 1 hour ago, Tenacious D said: How can you think this? Do you think Harris and team are incompetent or had another agenda? Why wouldn’t they accept the best offer? Not accusing you of this, but I think a lot of Tigers fans were seduced by all of the trade rumors and proposed packages offered by the media and ex-GM’s. They weren’t grounded in any reality. The Dodgers made this trade without losing one of their top four prospects in their farm system. It really seems they could've waited 12 hours and get a better offer. It feels as though the Dodgers should feel they got a rental player (he may sign eventually to the Dodgers) without really giving up that much. It just feels like the Tigers could've done better. Quote
DTroppens Posted August 2 Posted August 2 You know, it's been fun watching MLB in a Minor League stadium. I am listening to today's game because I'm at work, but even on the radio you can sense the difference. Quote
papalawrence Posted August 2 Posted August 2 3 minutes ago, DTroppens said: The Dodgers made this trade without losing one of their top four prospects in their farm system. It really seems they could've waited 12 hours and get a better offer. It feels as though the Dodgers should feel they got a rental player (he may sign eventually to the Dodgers) without really giving up that much. It just feels like the Tigers could've done better. Maybe Harris got the players he wanted? Quote
DTroppens Posted August 2 Posted August 2 38 minutes ago, papalawrence said: Maybe Harris got the players he wanted? Maybe. I doubt it though. I'm sure he would drop one of those three for one of the four top prospects if he was being honest. I'm not going to war on this either way. That was just my impression. He should've waited another 12 hours. Quote
1984Echoes Posted August 3 Posted August 3 49 minutes ago, DTroppens said: The Dodgers made this trade without losing one of their top four prospects in their farm system. It really seems they could've waited 12 hours and get a better offer. It feels as though the Dodgers should feel they got a rental player (he may sign eventually to the Dodgers) without really giving up that much. It just feels like the Tigers could've done better. Ran out of Likes so... LIKE. But I'm still OK with the return that Harris got. Give it an 8.5 out of 10. I was just hoping for that 9.9... Quote
DTroppens Posted August 3 Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, 1984Echoes said: Ran out of Likes so... LIKE. But I'm still OK with the return that Harris got. Give it an 8.5 out of 10. I was just hoping for that 9.9... That's fine. I'm not going to try to fight you off of that position. Quote
1984Echoes Posted August 3 Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, DTroppens said: That's fine. I'm not going to try to fight you off of that position. I think we're in the same spot. I thought we could get a little more as well... I REALLY wanted Sirota... But such is life... 1 Quote
holygoat Posted August 3 Posted August 3 I just don't think other teams were willing to offer a better package of players than we got from LA, and the Dodgers probably knew that. Wait them out too long, and maybe their offer gets worse or they move on to some other target. I'm pretty well convinced that there was no better offer available. Quote
DTroppens Posted August 3 Posted August 3 13 hours ago, holygoat said: I just don't think other teams were willing to offer a better package of players than we got from LA, and the Dodgers probably knew that. Wait them out too long, and maybe their offer gets worse or they move on to some other target. I'm pretty well convinced that there was no better offer available. You might be right. It's hard to be where we are and know what the Tigers could've done or got. They may also wanted to make a deal then thinking something may happen today. Who knows. It would be funny if they now made a trade that may help them for the rest of this season on a much more minor scale. And, honestly, I'd be for that. Maybe get someone for a small prospect or a player to be named later sort of thing. Even just a reliever of reasonable merit for the rest of this season. This sounds stupid, but that the trade that weakened the team is over, it's time to see if the Tigers can surprise a lot of us and get this job done this year. And if they do, doing it without Skubal around is going to make them that much more confident moving forward. I think there's real value in that, if they even just qualify for the playoffs and lose right out if they get from this position out of the playoffs and work themselves into them without Skubal. Not a hatred thing about Skubal. Just to prove to them maybe the other younger leadership guys are a pretty good group themselves - and maybe learn a little about being stronger leaders moving forward. Not that I really know who are the true leaders right now. Just a thought. 1 Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 (edited) 7 minutes ago, DTroppens said: This sounds stupid, but that the trade that weakened the team is over, it's time to see if the Tigers can surprise a lot of us and get this job done this year. It doesn't help the team to lose a great pitcher, but it can help the clubhouse for the distraction of an unusually fraught deadline situation to be over for everyone. Edited August 3 by gehringer_2 1 Quote
DTroppens Posted August 3 Posted August 3 6 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: It doesn't help the team to lose a great pitcher, but it can help the clubhouse for the distraction of an unusually fraught deadline situation to be over for everyone. Of course it doesn't. But if they still make the playoffs and do it by working themselves into the playoffs without Skubal, mentally the team (especially the younger guys just joining the team) can take great pride and ownership in that. And that's something that can't be measured in terms of value. Success that deals with adversity (losing your best pitcher if not best player and maybe the person some thought was the team leader is that), will make anyone grow whether they are MLB players or really any type of group setting. It's a great test and in a lot of ways I find what may or may not happen from here on out probably the most defining moment of the season because of those reasons. Quote
oblong Posted August 3 Posted August 3 The trade and the org, and players, belief in their status as contenders or sellers do not have to be linked together. This Skubal situation is unique and may have played out this way regardless of their record. He's not just any pending FA. Front offices of the teams involved here are not stupid people prone to emotional baggage or fear of criticism or 'snake bit' from the past. They're analytical and highly intelligent and in charge of a huge enterprise. There's nothing we can present as offers or scenarios they haven't already considered. Don't listen to people on TV. They are not in the loop on what goes on anymore. 1 Quote
1984Echoes Posted August 3 Posted August 3 1 hour ago, DTroppens said: ... Just to prove to them maybe the other younger leadership guys are a pretty good group themselves - and maybe learn a little about being stronger leaders moving forward. Not that I really know who are the true leaders right now. Just a thought. I think Tork came out and stated outright that "We are leadership by committee..." I think that's a good thing right now... Quote
1984Echoes Posted August 3 Posted August 3 PS: I agree with the rest of your post as well... I think it'd be a great thing if this team fights its way into the playoffs this year... no matter who moves out/ comes in by today's deadline. 1 Quote
papalawrence Posted August 3 Posted August 3 They're making the post season. I'll wager my neighbor's dog on it Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 21 minutes ago, papalawrence said: They're making the post season. I'll wager my neighbor's dog on it Please, could you wager *my* neighbor's dog on it? 1 1 Quote
DTroppens Posted August 3 Posted August 3 1 hour ago, 1984Echoes said: I think Tork came out and stated outright that "We are leadership by committee..." I think that's a good thing right now... I bet there will be a player or two who emerges as the true leader(s) in that committee though. I hope that happens. Quote
monkeytargets39 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 1 minute ago, DTroppens said: I bet there will be a player or two who emerges as the true leader(s) in that committee though. I hope that happens. I’m going to guess that by no later than mid year 2027 this will be the Clark and McGonigle team. 1 1 Quote
DTroppens Posted August 3 Posted August 3 4 minutes ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’m going to guess that by no later than mid year 2027 this will be the Clark and McGonigle team. Thinking that is about right as well. Quote
gehringer_2 Posted August 3 Posted August 3 Just now, monkeytargets39 said: I’m going to guess that by no later than mid year 2027 this will be the Clark and McGonigle team. the flashy guys are normally busy being creative - so I could see McGonigle more than Clark. Quote
NorthWoods Posted August 3 Posted August 3 33 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said: the flashy guys are normally busy being creative - so I could see McGonigle more than Clark. I'll bet Clark to be the vocal leader and McG to be the reassuring teammate Quote
chasfh Posted August 3 Posted August 3 5 hours ago, oblong said: Don't listen to people on TV. They are not in the loop on what goes on anymore. Especially the national people, who prove over and over that they know hardly anything about the Tigers, or for that matter, just about any team in flyover land. Quote
chasfh Posted August 3 Posted August 3 3 hours ago, monkeytargets39 said: I’m going to guess that by no later than mid year 2027 this will be the Clark and McGonigle team. And maybe the Melton and Jobe team. Quote
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