Religion

[oblong]

1 minute ago, ewsieg said:

To be fair, even Francis was conservative, just on the left side of that designation.  Sounds like Francis thought of him as a successor.  I'm happy with that.  

I kind of want to go to my Church Sunday and see if my asshole priest bitches and/or digs at him, like I heard him do to Francis before.

She was mistaken.  She had him confused with another American candidate.  She's happy enough with this fella.

 

[CMRivdogs]

29 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The memes are great.  

After I got past that, I started wondering how a powerful leader from the American Catholic Church could be named Pope.  

There is so much abuse that took place here for decades that was either ignored, covered up, or plainly accepted by Church elders.

 I find it highly unlikely the Chicago area was a shining light of proper clergy behavior for the decades that he was in charge.  

 I would’ve thought the failure of the leaders to punish and stop the abuse for so long would preclude any American from becoming Pope for many more years.  

Looks like he spent a big portion of his career outside Chicago. 

[LaceyLou]

38 minutes ago, Hongbit said:

The memes are great.  

After I got past that, I started wondering how a powerful leader from the American Catholic Church could be named Pope.  

There is so much abuse that took place here for decades that was either ignored, covered up, or plainly accepted by Church elders.

 I find it highly unlikely the Chicago area was a shining light of proper clergy behavior for the decades that he was in charge.  

 I would’ve thought the failure of the leaders to punish and stop the abuse for so long would preclude any American from becoming Pope for many more years.  

Unfortunately, abuse is something that has not been unique to the US-although it has been publicized here in recent decades (not sure if that's true in other places, aside from Ireland). 

I'm with Oblong-judging from the people who hate this pick, I'm inclined to be hopeful.

[ewsieg]

32 minutes ago, oblong said:

She was mistaken.  She had him confused with another American candidate.  She's happy enough with this fella.

 

Oh, I think I know who she thought it was.  My priest falls in line with that guy.  Wants Latin brought back into mass, etc.

[buddha]

MALORT AND DEEP DISH FOR EVERYBODY!

tonight were gonna party like its 1399!  whoo hoo!

[Tigermojo]

2 minutes ago, buddha said:

MALORT AND DEEP DISH FOR EVERYBODY!

tonight were gonna party like its 1399!  whoo hoo!

I had to look up Malort. Kid on Wheel of Fortune last night didn't know what stout was.

[Hongbit]

Malort is Chicago’s Vernors.  A old local drink that tastes terrible.  

Theirs is alcoholic because they’re a bunch of drunks. 

[lordstanley]

Coincidentally, I’m graduating Saturday with my M.A. in Theological Studies from a Catholic college (Jesuit-oriented) at the University of British Columbia. My quick reaction. Most North American cradle Catholics will like this pick, many North American convert Catholics might not. Despite what you might see on social media, convert Catholics are a minority within the Church but are zealous and outspoken. Increasing in importance. Younger priests, like the pastor of my parish, also tend to be more conversativr, hence the re-introduction of things like a communion rail in some parishes. Going into the conclave, I saw him as one of the best candidates but thought his being American would rule him out. Fact he is so international though, even being a naturalized Peruvian after 20 years there, and is fluent in Italian and Spanish, made him acceptable. Choosing Leo as his name is the biggest indicator of his values, IMO. The most recent Pope Leo was in the late 1800s and was the father of modern Catholic Social Teaching. Overall, I like this pick. 

Edited yesterday at 08:44 PM by lordstanley

[gehringer_2]

4 minutes ago, lordstanley said:

Coincidentally, I’m graduating Saturday

Congrats!

RCC theology (TBH - theology in general really) has always left me more bemused that anything else. Even now still doing a lot of counting of those angels on pinheads. But I'll give any institution it's props that has survived for 2000 years.

[oblong]

There’s no zealot like a convert 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, ewsieg said:

Oh, I think I know who she thought it was.  My priest falls in line with that guy.  Wants Latin brought back into mass, etc.

The fixation on Latin is so odd. It's not even a throw back to some original base, like wanting the Torah read in Hebrew or the Quran in Arabic or Hindus venerating texts in Sanskrit. Latin may have been current at the time of the NT, but it wasn't the first language of any of the NT events let alone anything before that. All you are left with is that Latin backers don't want transparency, they want to maintain enigma as another method of protecting their prerogatives of interpretation and control, That most of the popes since VII have fought that rear-guard action is a good thing..

[buddha]

1 hour ago, Hongbit said:

Malort is Chicago’s Vernors.  A old local drink that tastes terrible.  

Theirs is alcoholic because they’re a bunch of drunks. 

vernors is great.

malort is disgusting.

 

[buddha]

[buddha]

11 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

The fixation on Latin is so odd. It's not even a throw back to some original base, like wanting the Torah read in Hebrew or the Quran in Arabic or Hindus venerating texts in Sanskrit. Latin may have been current at the time of the NT, but it wasn't the first language of any of the NT events let alone anything before that. All you are left with is that Latin backers don't want transparency, they want to maintain enigma as another method of protecting their prerogatives of interpretation and control, That most of the popes since VII have fought that rear-guard action is a good thing..

its the roman catholic church.  duh.

[gehringer_2]

1 minute ago, buddha said:

its the roman catholic church.  duh.

but without any Romans! 

Sort of like AT&T but no telegraphs.  

[CMRivdogs]

One negative though, his brother says he's a Sox fan. He grew up on the Southside (Dolton). Mother was a Cubs fan, dad rooted for the Cardinals. I think I caused a bit of a stink when I asked my Chicago Facebook friends his baseball loyalties.

[buddha]

apparently the pope's mom worked in the library at my daughter's high school.  

which is like 1 1/2 hours from dolton.

this is great news for dolton.  before today, dolton was known for their maasively corrupt and ridiculously trashy mayor tiffany henyard.  now it will be known as the home of the pope!

dolton is a MUCH different place than when he grew up.  hardly any catholics anymore.  all the old churches and schools of his youth are gone.  it was a typical working class immigrant south side suburb.  now its 90% black and very poor.

Edited 22 hours ago by buddha

[IdahoBert]

Thanks to Trump’s tariffs we are now growing Popes in America. 

[gehringer_2]

1 hour ago, IdahoBert said:

Thanks to Trump’s tariffs we are now growing Popes in America. 

don't give him any ideas or you'll see this in an all caps tweet before the end of the week.

[1776]

2 hours ago, IdahoBert said:

Thanks to Trump’s tariffs we are now growing Popes in America. 

Good one!

[Hongbit]

It’s amazing he got the job without ever working for Fox News before. 

[RatkoVarda]

horrible value. Brad Holmes should have traded down, could have added 2 future Cardinals, a few Bishops or maybe even a monsignor. good culture fit but huge overpay. Mel Kiper's grade for Leo pick: C-

[ewsieg]

15 hours ago, CMRivdogs said:

One negative though, his brother says he's a Sox fan. He grew up on the Southside (Dolton). Mother was a Cubs fan, dad rooted for the Cardinals. I think I caused a bit of a stink when I asked my Chicago Facebook friends his baseball loyalties.

I heard cubs fan and was turned off.  But Sox fan?  Minds well of had Pope Trump.

[CMRivdogs]

2 minutes ago, ewsieg said:

I heard cubs fan and was turned off.  But Sox fan?  Minds well of had Pope Trump.

It was one of my first failures as a father. When we moved to Chicago in the early 90s my wife's office had an outing to Old Comiskey Park. To my chagrin he became a Sox fan. 
Early in our relationship I told my wife, who had the more promising career opportunities, I'd follow her anywhere. As long as it was a National League city. (My Western Pennsylvania roots, plus nearby Salem Va hosted the Pirates Carolina League team at the time) When she called me one day to ask about possibly moving to Chicago my first thoughts were "UGH, Not the Cubs!"

 

[chasfh]

21 hours ago, gehringer_2 said:

The fixation on Latin is so odd. It's not even a throw back to some original base, like wanting the Torah read in Hebrew or the Quran in Arabic or Hindus venerating texts in Sanskrit. Latin may have been current at the time of the NT, but it wasn't the first language of any of the NT events let alone anything before that. All you are left with is that Latin backers don't want transparency, they want to maintain enigma as another method of protecting their prerogatives of interpretation and control, That most of the popes since VII have fought that rear-guard action is a good thing..

It's not until you consider that many priests rue that they never got to minister during pre-Vatican II time of the all-powerful, well-heeled parish pastor, pampered and fawned over by his congregation, who could do anything he wanted to anyone in the parish he wanted, and was looked upon as sitting at the right hand of the right hand of the Father.

I feel so lucky to have grown up during the guitar Mass/hippie Jesus era of the Church. That might be why it took me as long as it did to finally fall away from it.