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09/07/2022 4:07 EDT Detroit Tigers at Los Angeles Angels


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I never ever felt this bad even about the 2003 team.  It seemed like it was only a matter of time before Mike I and DD would step in and make things better.  

With Chris I in charge, I could imagine them announcing the hire of Sam Menzin next week and a virtually bottomless pit of failure ahead....not because Menzin is a bad guy or has no skills, but because he represents more of the same from Chris I.

Even if they hire a very qualified GM, unless it's Theo (and it's not going to be Theo, I've understood that from day 1, even though I have promoted the concept), I am not going to get behind it until I can plainly see that this GM has the resources and support and space to turn this ship around and win without some huge re-rebuilding project and another 5 - 7 year plan or tanking or some other BS.

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2 hours ago, sabretooth said:

I never ever felt this bad even about the 2003 team.  It seemed like it was only a matter of time before Mike I and DD would step in and make things better.  

With Chris I in charge, I could imagine them announcing the hire of Sam Menzin next week and a virtually bottomless pit of failure ahead....not because Menzin is a bad guy or has no skills, but because he represents more of the same from Chris I.

Even if they hire a very qualified GM, unless it's Theo (and it's not going to be Theo, I've understood that from day 1, even though I have promoted the concept), I am not going to get behind it until I can plainly see that this GM has the resources and support and space to turn this ship around and win without some huge re-rebuilding project and another 5 - 7 year plan or tanking or some other BS.

I'll probably be crosshairs of some folks by saying this, but I dont even mind so much if Menzin ends up surviving in the org - he's relatively young and could learn under a better executive

But it'd would be a Godawful move to give him the big President or VP title - even if it isn't Theo, this is a mess that requires someone with a track record or some resume to fix. Someone like a Byrnes or Dana Brown or someone like that who comes from a winning culture and has seen ups and downs in this league.

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5 minutes ago, mtutiger said:

I'll probably be crosshairs of some folks by saying this, but I dont even mind so much if Menzin ends up surviving in the org - he's relatively young and could learn under a better executive

But it'd would be a Godawful move to give him the big President or VP title - even if it isn't Theo, this is a mess that requires someone with a track record or some resume to fix. Someone like a Byrnes or Dana Brown or someone like that who comes from a winning culture and has seen ups and downs in this league.

I am with this 100%, it wouldn't bother me a bit to see guys like Menzin stay around if they have the skills and approach that the new GM is looking for.  Menzin may be a fine up-and-coming talent that just needs the right mentorship and situation to fully realize his potential. 

Given what has happened here, I doubt he is marketable in an executive role elsewhere at this time -- even if another GM liked him, they would be afraid of hiring a guy with Detroit's current stink on him. 

Being part of a turnaround team here in DET under a new successful GM is probably the only ticket for Menzin to be a MLB executive long-term here or anywhere.

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Is anyone else struck by the absurdity/unreality of Trevor's interview with Lester's father? Sure it's a 'feel good' story that the guy is getting his cup of coffee as reward for being a good MiLB solder, but does anyone seriously believe Lester has an MLB future, and that being the case isn't an interview like Trevor just did borderline emotion predation on the family?

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20 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Is anyone else struck by the absurdity/unreality of Trevor's interview with Lester's father? Sure it's a 'feel good' story that the guy is getting his cup of coffee as reward for being a good MiLB solder, but does anyone seriously believe Lester has an MLB future, and that being the case isn't an interview like Trevor just did borderline emotion predation on the family?

His slip up calling it a fairy tale ending was kinda funny.

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23 minutes ago, gehringer_2 said:

Is anyone else struck by the absurdity/unreality of Trevor's interview with Lester's father? Sure it's a 'feel good' story that the guy is getting his cup of coffee as reward for being a good MiLB solder, but does anyone seriously believe Lester has an MLB future, and that being the case isn't an interview like Trevor just did borderline emotion predation on the family?

I dont want to crap on the moment for Lester or his dad, because it's cool for them.

But yeah. 

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