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So, all in July: M. Sequera .839 OPS C. Santana .824 OPS W. Perez 1.050 OPS D. Dingler .913 OPS P. Meadows .780 OPS I. Pacheco .756 OPS K. Carpenter .930 OPS J. Crouch .872 OPS And yet... everyone seems to think our current system is NO DIFFERENT than in 2016... NONE of those guys is better than Christin MTrucking Stewart or Jacoby Frickin' Jones! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I think Same Old Tigers has jaded everyone's view to the point that they can no longer see straight. But then again.. maybe it's just me... NOT!!!
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08/07/2022 6:10 EDT Tampa Bay Rays at Detroit Tigers
1984Echoes replied to casimir's topic in Game Threads
6 shutout innings, 82 pitches... what happened that he's being pulled...? -
Australia is a huge actor in the mining aspect, China is even bigger. We could be just as big... if we wanted to. We've already shown to have the natural resources but... yeah, the environment. I'm of the mind of: avoid strip mining; in any mining area replace the environment back to its pre-mining condition; require miners (and this is also true of oil and gas industry) to pay for either (A) Insurance, or a sinking fund, or a Surety type of Bond that is in place to guarantee coverage of any environmental damage; (B) A sinking fund or surety bond is repayable to the mining company or oil and gas company once an area has been left and any environmental damage repaired and paid for... they get it all back if no damage, or... in the case of the insurance, it is a sunk cost. But low cost with a good environmental record, high or uninsurable if a bad record. (C) this prevents the public from being forced to pay for private company damages. Puts a mechanism in place to cover environmental damages and incentives to not commit the damage in the first place... On the brownouts... The biggest issue with green power is its intermittent availability. So huge battery storage systems are already being built, in Australia that I know of... I'm guessing after California's brown outs that they are moving as fast as they can towards the same solution... I have no idea how that will all work out in the future nor how many EV's that may actually support, but... We'll see. Pretty soon I'm sure...
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I already did that. 1982.
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Now let's see them prove that out...
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I think that's cause to question the bias in ESPN's algorithm.
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Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
They were NEVER high end to BEGIN with. That's my point. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
Prospects from our pre-season 2022 prospects (I don't care where they were ranked) who have made it to MLB in 2022: Tork, Greene, Brieske, Wentz, Clemens, Faedo, Elvin Rodriguez. Did I miss anyone? Maybe Carpenter in September? maybe not.. if so.. 2023 Prospects I expect to see break into MLB sometime in 2023, even if it's just a cup: Wenceel Perez, Dillon Dingler, Parker Meadows, Reese Olson, Ryan Kreidler, Kerry Carpenter (if not this year), maybe Wilmer Flores too... Prospects who have ALREADY made in to MLB in the past couple of years: 2019 Jake Rogers & Tyler Alexander & Greg Soto, 2018 Spencer Turnbull, 2017 Joe Jimenez, 2020 Rookies: Casey Mize, Tarik Skubal, Daz Cameron, Rony Garcia, 2021 Rookies: Matt Manning, Akil Baddoo, Alex Lange, Jason Foley When was the last time our farm system was producing this much? -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
To expand upon this... I mean GEEZ, seriously! I'm nearly falling out of my chair just LOOKING at this!!! This is absolutely crazy and incedulous to me... Our top 5 in 2016 were: Michael Fulmer - Decent prospect, but not a high end one. 1.25 WHIP in the minors, less than 9 K's per 9.. and he was our Number ONE prospect?!?!?! Christin MT(rucking) Stewart, as number TWO? No glove. DH Only. Huge holes in his swing. But has some power. WHEN we drafted him. Our number TWO prospect in 2016? Beau Burrows, decent starter prospect. But NEVER much more than that, and not any different than Fulmer. As our number THREE prospect in 2016. JACOBY JONES was our number FOUR prospect in 2016. Athletic, might make it to MLB, has some speed but also some holes in his swing. But NEVER expected to amount to any kind of world-beater. Those were our TOP FOUR prospects in 2016. And somehow, you guys are trying to HORSESHIT me into thinking that we don't have better prospects today than in 2016??? I'm sorry, but I'm LMFAO right now. No, the problem is not me. I think you guys are just straight up blind, or are being obtuse. There is no possible way the prospects in our system RIGHT NOW aren't WORLDS BETTER than what we had in 2016. I think you guys are seriously just trying to HORSESHIT me right now. -
Shades of a young Lou Whitaker... (Ducks as all the head shots come out swinging after that comment...)
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If you cut Short... He's going to re-sign with Toledo. And if not... we're that stressed by losing Short? He can't be replaced by any AAAA shortstop with a glove that can't ber bought, traded for, etc? Cheaply too. His cost is close to zero in any circumstance. Seriously? You're that stressed out about losing Zach "Dime a Dozen" Short? Or you're stressed about the pending bankruptcy of the Tigers because the financial ramifications of Zach "Dime a Dozen" Short and/ or Ryan "Career utility Guy" Kreidler were not taken into consideration...? "Holy OVERBLOWN" Batman!!!
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Same. If they need the development... got it. No worries. But if they have "earned a shot" on the other hand...
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Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
I still contend that it's not just hope or "thinking". It's not. There is no possible way that in 2016, with Christin "mother-trucking CRAP fielder, DH-Only, with huge flaws in his swing but has some power" Stewart the #2 prospect (number TWO!!!!); it is a comparable list to 2022. I mean, seriously? You can't find any prospects in 2022 that you like better than Christin MF'in (excuse the language... but I really didn't like Christin Stewart as a prospect at all) Stewart? Seriously? Because I stated this: "Christin Stewart was our #2 prospect? And you can't find one better prospect than him on our 2022 list? Seriously? Because I see 13 guys on our 2022 list that I like a whole lot more than Christin Stewart. And Beau Burrows. And Jacoby Jones..." If you can't find a few guys as better prospects than Christin Stewart on our 2022 list... then I don't think the fault, or Blind Faith, or my "thinking" is the flaw. It's not me at this point. Prove me wrong. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
PS: Mark, I don't know if you remember this but... You and I have had these conversations for about 15 years or so... I've been schooled. I know that. So thank you, and... (I'm still thinking this year's prospect list is a bit higher than "slight improvement" over previous iterations...) HAH!!! -
The flipside is... If they've earned a shot... Give it to them.
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Or we can risk having absolutely no clue what a kid can provide at the MLB level before just dumping him in the trade or DFA market... And I'm not talking about just Paredes. These are fringe kids. We're not calling them up for wins. In fact, I would say that almost guarantees more losses. But... you're calling up the fringe guys (Carpenter, Davis, Kreidler, Clemens (oh, already got him up here...)) to see if anyone can stick. And: out with the old (Schoop, Cabrera, Barnhart, Grossman) and in with the new. Even if some of those "new" names end up changing because a couple couldn't handle MLB pitching and a different couple could... That's the point.
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Nope... Our development team needs to still "work him over" some more... 50/50 on whether that's a good thing or a bad thing...!
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Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
That's fine. Thank you for the effort! Seriously! And maybe it's just me but, I think there are a lot less flaws in the 2022 list than in the 2016 list; I recognize all the growth issues that the current list of guys have to get past, and that they have exactly the flaws that you have pointed out... you've probably scouted them and know EXACTLY what all of their flaws are... I just think that there is more than just a slight incremental improvement in the quality of prospects (or maybe I mean quantity/ depth?) in 2022 than in 2016. But that's just me. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
Case in point (or just for a couple examples, that might help explain my belief we're better to buddha): I think Olson, Flores, Madden and especially Jobe, are all as high, or higher, than Fulmer or Burrows. (Olson probably around Burrows and the other 3 I believe to be better than Fulmer. Fulmer was not some monster in the minors... he had a 1.25 WHIP, K'd less than 9 per 9 innings, but looked like an above average pitcher. I think Madden is maybe on that level, and Jobe (potential) and Flores looks much better than Fulmer (performance wise). Ziomek? By 2016 he had already crapped out (was that an injury) in A+ so why is he even in the discussion? I don't see a top 25 in 2016 having a guy who has already DOA'd... although maybe I'm thinking mid-season versus pre-season? There are no other pitchers that anyone thought that much of in 2016, as a potential starter. A few reliever types... Jimenez at the top of the list of course... I also see a bunch of 2016 candidates who had zero chance of making it to MLB, either at the time of the draft, or shortly thereafter: Steve Moya (he was a Mendoza candidate WHEN we drafted him, he had a crap hit tool and the team knew it), Cam Gibson, Josh Turley, Jose Azocar (he was a lottery ticket with speed, I don't ever remember having any kind of expectations for him...), Kade Scivicque? Drew Smith? Wynton Bernard? Actual expectations for these guys? I don't remember having any. Christin Stewart was our #2 prospect? And you can't find one better prospect than him on our 2022 list? Seriously? Because I see 13 guys on our 2022 list that I like a whole lot more than Christin Stewart. And Beau Burrows. And Jacoby Jones. Etc., etc., etc. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
Never have I said all our top prospects will develop into stars. Nor that ALL prospects will even develop into MLB players. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
I'm pretty certain that you knew the flaws in those guys before even posting that. Stewart was always a crap glove, even when we drafted him. Moya was always a Mendoza candidate, even when we drafted him. Burrows was a decent arm, but no world beater. Kevin Ziomek? Who had any expectations for him? Did I/ Maybe... but I barely remember him. Gerber was a Cody Ross type (hopeful) so yes, maybe some hope there... I remember two of those BP hopefuls, but don't ever remember thinking much of any of those other guys. This is a serious question, to Buddha as well: I think the talent level in today's system is higher than in 2016 (I don't understand your "why" question Buddha... because... I do believe it's higher?) so I would like to turn this question around: Why do you think the talent in today's system is NOT higher? Or put another way: Do you SERIOUSLY (sorry for the point of emphasis) believe that this list (not in any order): Dillon Dingler, Josh Crouch, Peyton Graham, Jace Jung, Wenceel Perez, Gage Workman, Christian Santana, Manuel Sequera, Trei Cruz, Colten Keith, Adinso Reyes, Izaac Pacheco, Jose De La Cruz, Parker Meadows, Roberto Campos, Kerry Carpenter, Reese Olson, Jackson Jobe, Wilmer Flores, Ty Madden, Dylan Smith, Brant Hurter, Eddy Felix, Donal Montas, Juan Ruiz. Is no better than this list: Michael Fulmer, Christin Stewart, Beau Burrows, JaCoby Jones, Kevin Ziomek, Joe Jimenez, Spencer Turnbull, Mike Gerber, Steve Moya, Zach Shepherd, Derek Hill, Tyler Alexander, Wynton Bernard, Dixon Machado, Adam Ravenelle, Paul Voelker, Drew Smith, Cam Gibson, Matt Hall, Josh Turley, Jose Azocar, Endrys Briceno, Grayson Greiner, Kade Scivicque, A.J. Simcox. Seriously. (?) Because I flat out disagree. But that's just me. -
Al Avila: “You’ve got to go full bore from Day 1"
1984Echoes replied to Useful Idiot's topic in Detroit Tigers
Not good. Need better from those two. Time will tell. -
I vote for Australia and Mexico.
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Maybe... But the flipside is that it looks like there are other guys who are ready to at least get a shot. Baddoo is easy because if he's struggling... it really looks like Carpenter is ready to at least give a chance to... Other positions may be more difficult to do that with... But (also), certainly not the pitching because they've pulled up a basket full of guys, some who have done all right and some who have struggled... and yet, they STILL keep calling up new rookie pitchers that are somehow keeping (at least on the pitching side) this team in games, every single game. I don't think our pitching has been embarrassed much this season, if at all. Maybe a couple games... but it's the O that has been the embarrassment. As MTU says... do Kreidler, or Davis, deserve any kind of shot, at all? Or is the answer to that no? And only Short deserves to play in MLB because he is a "proven" glove?