Archie

You guys don't care about what happened in Oxford any more than you care about what happened in Waukasha. Its all political about banning guns and the liberal agenda.

Will you be 100% for car control too so Waukasha doesn't happen again?

I read back through this topic and realized this is your political soapbox to yammer on about guns. A couple weeks ago a guy drove through a Christmas parade severly injuring dozens and killing six people. There's not a peep from you about this guy, the tool he used for killing, or the fact he was out on rediculously low bail from a liberal prosecutor. Based on how a you blame a gun I assume you blame the SUV for this heinous crime and killing. Do you people own killing machines called automobiles or do you ride bicycles?

All new firearms today are sold with trigger locks. I don't know how many people use or keep them but I think its a fairly low number. I dont use them. There are ways to safely store a gun and have it quickly and easily accessible. I also beleive if you have firearms in the home, your spouse and children should know the basics about how to use them and store them safely. If you forbid children from seeing or doing something I beleive that makes them more curious. I wanted my children to know about firearms and wanted them taught properly. Parents also need to spend time with their children to see any red flags of their behavior. This is important even if you don't have guns in the home. The oxford shooter had more red flags than a Chinese military parade and the parents should have recognized this and realized arming the boy was a recipe for disaster. My previous comment about banning or surrendering guns was purely hypothetical. There are so may firearms in this country it would never happen. Even if you couldn't buy a gun they can be made fairly easy.

I agree that gun owners need to be responsible people (so do owners of many other things too) but how do you decide that? I'm not sure the Crumbley parents are really criminally guilty of anything but they are very irresponsible people. The ATF form specifically asks questions who the gun is for, drug use and domestic violence. Unless something bad happens like it did, some of its hard to know about without charges brought. Speaking of the ATF form, that might be the best chance they have for prosecuting the parent who purchased the gun. I don't know how they answered the questions but if they lied it can be a big fine and several years in jail.

A few people here have mentioned a ban on firearms or a mandatory surrender of firearms. Let say that's a reality and on Jan 1, 2022 any and all firearms owned have to be surrendered to your local police. The law abiding citizen will turn in their guns. The gang bangers, criminals and the like would not. So how would this make us safer? I think it would make us easier prey for the bad guns who are now the only ones with guns.

I read an article that said 40% of guns recovered in Chicago came from outside Chicago but from Illinois while 21% came from Indiana mainly because of its proximity to Chicago. The remaining 39% came from many other states all the way down to Florida and Mississippi.

Anybody that can take a life without a thought is someone that doesn't value life. I think a lot of the problems today is because of the digital age and the World Wide Web. We've always had guns and violent crimes but it increased a lot in the last two or three decades. When I was a kid we play cops and robbers, cowboys and indians and army with our cap guns. None that caused any mental problems. We also played outside from sun up to sun down and later. Today kids don't interact face to face or hardly play outside. They have their faces buried in their phones nonstop and always playing video games that are very realistic. Its probably not 100% of the problem but has contributed a lot to the decline of society and humanity in general.

It just pushes more people away. I remember the neighborhood people would have season tickets for box seats at Tiger Stadium. When Comerica opened they couldn’t afford it anymore.

I'm not deflecting anything. Read what I posted on guns not firing by themselves.

Part of it is people just don't value life. Killing is regular occurance in Chicago as you pointed out. I'm not familiar with the exact laws in Chicago but I know they have some of the toughest around. The criminals don't follow laws anyway.

If you pay to go to games your costs are likely to go up because of these negotiations. Fans are the biggest losers because any increased costs will be passed on to us.

Why don't you ask him to stop donating to politicians that flood our streets with criminals?

You're right a lot have a lot of plastic in them too.

What is missing here is the knowledge of the real problem. No matter what Alec Baldwin says a firearm won't shoot by itself. A person has to pull the trigger to make it fire. Do you really think that if someone want to kill they won't find a way to do it. McVeigh killed a lot of people including children without a shot being fired. Liberal policies are making the US more dangerous everyday and a lot of refuse to be victims because of them. Why do you think more people buy and carry guns? You don't see most of the guns people carry because they are concealed. Blaming guns is the easy way out and doesn't fix the real problem. And yes, I stand behind my statement that most people here know nothing about firearms. Besides calling parts by a wrong name there have been countless posts citing "automatic" weapon or the best was an automatic pistol. This shows complete lack of knowledge. I don't care that they don't know what they're talking about but it really makes them look foolish in their argument.

Its just proof that you and many of your fellow liberals don't know what you are talking about when discussing firearms.

Its not just Fox anymore. I've been surprised but several mainstream media sources are now going against him including his home team of NBC and CNN. When you screw up things as bad as this administration has its hard to ignore it.

Exactly! Any firearms person makes light of someone using the word "clip" to describe a magazine. Using the word clip is a indication they don't know much about firearms.

Whitmer recently signed a bill regarding minors charged as adults and sentencing guidelines for them. I don't know if or how it will affect this case. Maybe it won't.

I think avoiding the media is nearly impossible. When you are in their position I don't think they are getting much help from anyone. The last big case was the Landry case in Florida. The media followed the parents of the boy all the time, flew drones over their home and used their neighbor's property to get closer. A lot of the media act more like activists than journalists in these situations and I don't blame people for trying to avoid them. I don't think any of us have sympathy for the parents but think about the position they are in. Their child will likely spend decades in prison being Bubba's girlfriend and he will never live a normal life. They will go broke paying for attorneys and if they have any money left there will be civil suits from the victims. Now they face years of jail time for themselves. Even if they don't it will be hard for them to get jobs or be out in public. They will have to relocate and the stigma will follow them where ever they go. Their life is crap and their future isn't any better.

From the beginning the Prosecutor has been using the media for her benefit. Its common for people with charges pending to be allowed to turn themselves in if if its set up with their lawyer and prosecutor. It happens all the time and isn't reported in the media. It sounds like the lack of communication is on the prosecutor. Both the defense attorneys and the OCSD have stated this. Then it was blown out of proportion with the BOLO that was publicly communicated like the parents were public enemy number one. The parents are more of a danger to themselves than anyone else at this point. It doesn't really matter at this point now they are in jail. Their bail has been set extremely high and the defense might be able to get it lowered. I expect the trial for the kid will be easy to prosecute and the only question is how long of a sentence he could get based on his age. Mental illness could be a defense since he admitted to "hearing voices" before the shooting. The trial for the parents will be much more interesting and I think the Prosecutor will have trouble making a case. Time will tell.

What's a clip?

How a child is raise is so important in their lives and their future success. Sounds like you are giving him a good family to give him the opportunity he needs. I think the prosecutor is certainly using the media for her personal benefit. I know the parents need to answer the charges but having BOLO broadcast everywhere is over the top in my opinion. I think she has an uphill battle to convict the parents on anything no matter how deserving it may be.

Brooks had a bit of history and anyone in that office with a lick of common sense would have know he was a danger in some capacity. Nobody thought he would drive through a parade but he was a danger with his record and what he was charged with.

If that's what it takes to get violent offenders off the streets then its what we have to do. A lot of people that want to give these free passes haven't been victims. Its no wonder we have so many armed citizens and guns in this country. There is a reason why we have to protect ourselves.