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Keep him. We need good players we're not hurting for cap space so I don't know why we are worried about paying him his worth. And even if he doesn't resign the cap hit from franchising him is a $4 million increase. Seems worth it when the lions have $50 million in space. And the return, in the division, none the less is crap. We gave up two picks to get the 60th pick in the draft. neat a bust. At least without trading him you have two lottery tickets, a pro bowl tight end and two years to get some help. Now we have none of that and one lottery ticket. Fleeced Saying its a great all is just flat out silly. It wasn't by any stretch unless you think they are gonna draft a pro bowl TE at 60 which has about a .2 percent chance of happening. We didn't get better in the short or long term with the deal. Or do you think losing their only offensive weapon is an upgrade?

No its not. And to suggest it is dumb. They in theory gave up TJ for a late 2 to someone in division. When they need more good players not fewer

Holmes get fleeced in the division too.

And he finished with a losing record, missed the playoffs and cost the team a shot at bosa or Ramsey. Not sure what the point of your story was

I guess things aren't so Pleasant

I don't think its likely but i don't think you can say "isn't either." No matter how much you like a guy 6 wins (or whatever he finishes with) is pretty bad. And its hard to keep a coach who isn't their first year when you end up as the worst team.

cause he's head coach and the buck stops with him. WIns and losses also matter. or do you want to take the position there is more to evalaute whether someone is good than just soley wins and loses and saying things like, i dunno, A guy is good because he made a super bowl is silly. can't have it both ways. You can't say Goff is decent cause he went to a super bowl. But, Dan is also fine and his wins and loses don't matter.

It cause they keep trying to win now and win meaningless games instead of rebuilding with a qb Basically your plan

Not surprised you're a trade back guy. The team that moves back almost always loses the deal as picks after 30 rarely amount to anything

I'll be at the front of the line. Cool they won five straight finished with six and moved from 2 to 14 in the draft. They don't have a QB and then next year finish with 6 wins again. Then what do you, blow it up? I guess competitive in 2028 is a reasonable goal, but hey they had a winning streak at some point in 2022. Neat.

can you really chalk it all up to injuries? At what point do we admit that the team/coaches aren't what people thought during hard knocks? They still drastically need players that cause other teams to scheme for. Even fully healthy, they didn't have that. I think its fair to say they disappointed. I think most expected more than 1 win in the first six. They don't have that and other teams have injuries as well, it's not just the lions. Sure the teams got better than anticipated by some at the start of the year. You know who didn't? Detroit

Yes. Remember all the talk of an easy schedule to start the year. They are now currently in line for the No. 1 overall pick. Nobody in the preseason expected them to be the worst in teh league.

Nah they all just started their rebuild sooner. So it's cool.

Yes. But, I know Goff isn't the answer. The might guy could be JaMarcus, but he could also be Stafford. What it does it at least give me a chance to find a franchise guy. If I keep Goff in place, that chance is zero.

Even if they could work out a deal (they can't) it might be the better move to just cut him. Take the $20 million in cap saving use it elsewhere instead of just taking on a contract or some conditional pick that will just be a practice squad player/guy who doesn't make the team. Just keep it simple.

Stop Nobody is going to trade for Goff. He was a dump in for Stafford. Nobody else wanted him. Not to mention he's just not good. And who cares what the Rams did to get him. Looks like a mistake. Why does that have any impact on today?

To be fair, most third round picks suck

They were taken in the same draft

yeah but he went to a Super Bowl so...

Goff "Butterfingers" McGee

Buffalo at Detroit. Will be like they Peyton Manning game

Good play goff. What's that 3 turnvoers in the last 6 snaps

The 38 yard line was pretty open

Superbowl QB everyone

Neat. No flag on a bodyslam