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I don't think Kreidler is manipulation worthy. But you can't pre-emptively put somebody on the 60, only when you need space. Perhaps he is the move when Brieske comes off the IL on Friday, although I suspect that may be a position player veteran on the active roster getting DFA to make room for Baddoo or Greene.

7 day in Toledo. He doesn't accrue service time there. It is up to the Tigers if they want to bring him up and 60-Day him to save the 40 man roster spot at the expense of his service time and MLB salary.

It was working very well in May, but across baseball... The Rays have the best record in baseball and platoon out the wazoo. The Rangers do too. The Braves have one, but they also has stars at at least six of their spots. The Dodgers are currently platooning three spots. The Orioles are platooning at 1B and 2B. I don't see any platoons on the Astros, but they have one left-handed starter and you aren't platooning Kyle Tucker.

Or the wrong era... Why play somebody 150 games when you know 30 of those match-ups are poor ones that a platoon partner can complement? Let's go back to the pre-Hinch Avila era plug-n-play model. "We need a starting shortstop? Jordy Mercer plays shortstop. Mission accomplished."

Third year of it being this way... The Sunday before the All Star game.

A lot to unpack on the last few posts... No. Marisnick is not the type of player who moves your cornerstone player to another position. He's a guy you bring in when you have three outfielders get hurt in the span of a week and dispose when they get back. If Carpenter is DH only, then where does the 30 million dollar albatross play? And do you bench one of your best hitters in such a restrictive way? The 40-man roster is full. Not sure who you are missing in your count, but they have 48 with 8 on the 60-Day, with three on the 60-Day nearing the end of their Toledo rehabs. And Blair Calvo is on the 40 in Toledo, so the list you are looking at is not right. This is the problem when people like McCosky fumble roster terminology. The mechanics of Marisnick's probably demotion are as follows. He is out of options, but he is also over five years service time. Out of options means he has to go through waivers to be sent to the minor leagues. Over five years service time gives him the right to refuse that assignment. Having been previously outrighted gives him the right to declare free agency instead of going to Toledo. So... he's likely going to clear waivers, and he accepted his assignment with the White Sox in may and decided to hang around. I bet he can be outrighted without incident. Being out of options does not mean he will be released. The only way he is released is if he refuses assignment and forces the Tigers hand. For these purposes, refusing assignment is not something that shows up in the transactions log, and declaring free agency is what Seth Elledge did a couple weeks ago.

Maton would not clear waivers and won't get DFA'ed.

Gonna have to make a 40 man room for Skubal, so Shreve's lack of options could work against him. Also a 40 man move for Brieske and Wingenter whose 30 day rehab limits are nigh.

As long as that fake redneck's baby isn't sittin' by him anymore...

Not that Aldred wasn't terrible, but I do wonder how many 90's Tigers pitchers were hurt by horrible fielding behind them. Pitchers weren's striking out nearly as many back then, so having some combination of Cecil Fielder at first base, aging Tram/Lou up the middle, Mickey Tettleton at C/RF, Gibson in CF, etc.

I don't know how much longer the Tigers can justify keeping Schoop around.

No matter how much he rakes at Toledo, don't be surprised in Keith is held down until he can maintain rookie eligibility. Unless the Tigers somehow find themselves in contention before then, that is. Reminder, he will need to be under 45 days of active (i.e. non-IL) service time and under 130 at-bats at season's end to be eligible for prospect lists and thus be able to net the Tigers a draft pick if he gets any award voting early on in his career. We are talking late August at the earliest. Patience...

Regarding incentives, I honestly don't know how they work when somebody is traded mid-season. My guess is the team the player plays for when they hit the incentives are on the hook. So in the case of Candelario, the Nationals have already paid $400K of his potential $1M in performance incentives. If traded today, the other team would be on the hook for the other $600K if he hits them.

Incentives are part of it. I was just leaving them out to simplify the math.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/06/30/biden-student-loan-forgiveness-supreme-court/

Replacement level is general and WAR is a very broad brush. It is clear the replacement level that Lorenzen was performing over was much lower than the leaguewide level given Toledo's rotation and the preference for "Bullpen Day"

Also, am I crazy for saying Lorenzen has been more valuable than Jeimer this year? And likely should fetch more in the trade market if his arm stays in tact another few weeks.

There are diminishing returns, if not (what's the term, negative returns?) going too heavily in the free agent market. It's not just money. We are seeing it with the Miguel Cabrera anvil the last five years. Imagine that times 5-10.

Very true, but in the aggregate if one team in need of a 3B is put over the tax by Candelario, his value decreases because of his salary, even if the penalty is small. That is the point I wanted to make.

What if Candelario was a bit of a malcontent who was interfering with the development of players? Interfering with instruction and casting doubt on the regime's development methods. Bringing him around was only going to hinder the rebuild. I'm not saying that is true, but that's the type of stuff we don't know.

Jeimer making $5M (plus incentives, but I'll ignore them for this point) versus $7M. Let's say the trade is now, at the mid-season point to make the math easy. A team picking up $5M Jeimer adds roughly $2.5M to their CBT bill. A team picking up $7M Jeimer adds roughly $3.5M to their CBT bill. Let's say that the team acquiring has $3M left under the cap... a bit too precise for practicality based on the approximations on the margins with benefits and back-end roster machinations... but bear with me. The team picking up $3.5M Jeimer would go over the tax. Yes, the tax is only 20% of $500,000 (assuming they are a first time payer), or $100,000: chump change. But... if they are trying to reset their tax liability, that could set them back. If they want to sign a QO free agent this upcoming offseason, it will cost extra draft picks. If they are losing a free agent this offseason, they will get a 4th rounder instead of a 1st or 2nd rounder in compensation. If they sign a QO free agent, they are also set to lose $1M instead of $500K from their international bonus pool. Remember a lot of those deals are agreed to ahead of time, so the extra money lost their could wreck their entire international signing class. That immediately prior paragraph is why teams want to stay under. It's not just money. And that is why every little bit of salary could potentially matter in deadline deals.

The Supreme Court, by and large, is sending stuff back to the states and empowering those legislatures. Dobbs, in particular... Those legislatures have extreme Republican advantages, in part due to proactive gerrymandering, and in part because Dems just don't try.

No, but in terms of trade value, the teams buying right now are.

Rounding error on a big league financial sheet until you are up against the CBT and you are suddenly a bit more restricted in free agency if you go over. Yes, such a small overage is also on the margins tax-wise, but it is the other penalties that kick in that I do think teams are trying to avaoid.

You can re-sign him after non-tendering, but obviously it takes two to tango in that regard. As a 38-year old single person, I empathize more and more with teams when I see fanbases throw daggers at them for not unilaterally signing players. Reminds me of thanksgiving.